Wormholes

In an interview Fozzie said, that the escalation spawns originally were introduced to prevent people using caps.
He also stated that there might be a change. Hm this all becomes very interesting...

Yeah, it would make C5/C6s obsolete.

Aside from the teamspeak invitations, that post above needs a sticky. Pretty much sums it up.

Devblog written by Fozzie claims players were wrong assuming that CCP never wanted WH to be habitable.

In the Podcast Fozzie confirmed that rumor, by not denying it while brought up + mentioning that escalations were supposed to be a deterrent.

So which one is it?

I really, reeaaaly think its time to remove local from nullsec. Really.

Words can barely describe how horrible of a move this is. I know this has been stated many times already before but I figured I would just reiterate it. All this change will do is drive smaller corporations out of wormholes and slow down wormhole interactions in general.

What is puzzling is nobody asked for this change.
As stated earlier people are not stupid. (well some are) but overall wh dwellers are not going to jump dreads if the reward is not worth the risk. If this change happens smaller corps are not going to bother as they no longer have the means to effectively protect their dreads. Also nobody is going to run sites with dreads while you have open wormholes all around because the value of what you will gain is simply not worth that risk. You can protect a dread making combat jumps with fewer than 15 ships in the current mechanic usually. I cannot tell you how many mexican stand off's we have had with larger corps on the other side of a crit'ed hole waiting for one or the other to get stuck. That will simply not be possible with this change. The effect is that all but the largest corps will simply move out of wh's. Those stand offs simply won't happen anymore.

Whats more is that this will only add to the current problem with declining sub'ed accounts. Our corporate leader has already announced he will be leaving the game if this goes through as there will be nothing left in the game he wishes to participate in. I have multiple characters totally dedicated to wormhole activities which will be useless after this change as I will no longer have a purpose for them. Multiple other members in our corporation have voiced their account cancellation should this change go through for the same reason. I know CCP is famous for their quote "what the players say and what the players do are entirely different" But please take note. These are not cancellations as an "up yours" fist shake to CCP. These are "you have destroyed an entire aspect of game play which these accounts were subscribed for" cancellations.

I know my corporation cannot stand up to the might of several of the larger wh corps but we have had scraps back and forth with them. usually lose but occasionally win (or a win for us). I doubt these other wh corps want to see us go. The wh community is an odd one in that blowing up ships is more like a hand shake. Most of our wh allies were made from someone dying. We have banded together though in telling you this change is one that almost NONE of us want.

Minority or majority, all have a right to voice their opinion... even the trolls. In any case, be careful how you measure. Capital fights are something many, many players aspire to. If they get screwed up it will have long term knock-on effects for w-space that far exceed a simple numbers game like you're referring to.




More connections might lead to more PvP yeah. It would just be better to have some isk-incentives to move to w-space commensurate with the risk. Might as well call C1's and C2's PI-space. If you like shooting up quad-stabbed epithals, it'll be great I'm sure. But for the rest of us, it would be better to have more ratting groups actually running the lower class sites and getting competitive isk/hr and miners getting the ABC's in ore sites that have to be probed down. But you don't see 'em nowadays much cuz the isk/risk equation doesn't work out.

So thats the Second dev blog stating that this change is happening......THEN WHATS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD IF UR JUST GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY

also wtf with the nestor?

I just listened to fozzie talking on down the pipe, He is clear that all options of keeping it, changing it, or removing it are on the table and they are closely watching these forums before they make a final decision.
That seems fair and reasonable, no matter how much we dislike this new feature.

As for the Nestor, it is too expensive and still insufficiently defined, hopefully that will change.
I still cannot find a role for it other than bait.

It's apparent from reading the posts here that many people simply do not understand the significance of these proposed changes, particularly for C6/C5 PVP groups. Let's hope for our sanity (and continued involvement in this game) that CCP Fozzie has better comprehension skills than some of you.

Effect on Rolling Wormholes

Pro's:

• rolling will become more hazardous, potentially more kills of bigger ships such as Carriers, Dreads and Orcas.

Cons:

• rolling will take longer, be more tedious, equalling less connections and hence reduce PVP.
• rolling will be safer if done by larger groups in BS, favours larger entities, diminishing W-space ecosystem.

Effect on PVP at wormhole entrances

Pro's:

• some potential particularly in lower class holes for new tactics other than brawling, utilising the scatter effect.

Con's:

• Capital PVP is now effectively suicidal for the aggressor, with defenders having the odds massively stacked in their favour, especially if jumping into k-space from w-space. You can't easily retreat, and you are unlikely to be able to refit or support other capitals.
• Brawling will be more effective if huge Guardian/T3 blobs are used instead of risky capitals, again favouring larger groups (see the emergent theme, anybody?)

People saying we should all just shut up and adapt, that's fine. Compared to many other groups, we can probably ride out these changes. Will there be anybody left to play with though?

CCP Fozzie, you wanted constructive feedback, there it is, now for an alternative suggestion which removes some of the objections:

1. Make all wormhole jumps spawn just outside jump range, making you have to break jump cloak to return.
2. Instead of the fixed session change timer, make it a mass based jump timer. Capitals have to break cloak and wait a couple of minutes before jumping back. BS a minute, covops scouts as soon as the session timer is up.

You get some additional risk when rolling, but a much bigger chance of getting capitals into refit range or in a position to retreat, thus preserving aggressive capital ship PVP in w-space.