Wormholes

1. Takes a minute to warp off a bit and back to the hole. Unless you jump into a tarp, you are safe.
2. see #1
3. yes, jumping through a WH should not be risk-free experience just because you sit in a dread and want to deny someone else a fight.
4. You must be kidding. With 5-min siege timer, it is almost safe to siege a POS with dreads for 1 cycle and jump out, provided you have some scouts and no one knows your plans. If you are trying to guess that jumping into some empty 0.0 system, or random low sec will get supers dropped on you, you are crazy. Unless you want to roll a hole in Amamake or VFK or someplace like that, you are quite safe.

As evidence, if what you said was remotely true, L3gs would not have lost his titan.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/40580154/

Why didn't someone save him??.. oh right, it takes longer than 1-2 min to actually form any sort of a fleet. Unless your argument is "goons/PL/N3 sit 24/7 online on their multi-boxed SC+archon swarms ready to jump on the poor WHers". Please.

I specifically replied because of this fail, fail, fail point.

5. see #1

This is an excellent change. And the reason is perfectly clear. It disallows risk-free defensive hole rolling when some enemy fleet is visible 2 WH away. No ifs-and-buts about it. Every comment here is about fight avoidance, even the ones that attempt to to talk about "rage rolling to find a fight" are really just about whining that someone came into their WH and they have to sit in their POS all day.

Everytime I see a WH that probably leads somewhere, suddenly a few dreads appear and 5s seconds later the signature is gone along with the dreads. Yeah, they were looking for a fight and I have 0.0 space in Stain to sell too.

To be very frank, this entire wihinenaught very much reminds me of the 0.0 AFK cloaker whine thread. And it's still going on, after years and years. Here is one of the later incarnation,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281588

Remind you of something too? Oh yes, this thread!

HOORAY! never not warp carriers to wormholes.

I find it ironic someone in disavowed talking about blue donuts when all the big c6 groups have non invasion pacts.

This is Stupid and you Should be ashamed. NO WH person has ever complained about AFK cloak. You want to Solve Fight Avoidence? REMOVE local from NUll sec! But wait...We have pages and Pages of Tears about Local in Null sec, Why? Because you love your instant intel and Null sec is just LAZY. You want Content generation? REmove local from NULL! Allow the Little guy to Use null resources without Big brother knowing and BAM! instant Content.

But Alas you want your safety net. Just like WH people want thier safety net. This change Instantly removes WH safty net. All this will do is Make c-5, c-6 wh empty of any small or medium sized corps. 20 jumps with BS to close a wh or Risking a Billions on dreads Will never happen for the small groups. There is NO increase in ISK to offset the Risk increase.

All This Does is create a Turky shoot for Null sec people that have any patience. Senerio: Hey look its a C5 it has an active corp. Lets park our cyno interdictor and Cloak bump ship and wait for the easy kill. I cant wait for this easy kill mail. Garbage!

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen.

I don’t understand why no one has stated the real goal of all the changes yet, so let me do it.
CCP sees that the game’s economy is facing mudflation (those who are doubt just look at the PLEX prices curve) and tries to control it. We, the WH dwellers, all know that so-called “blue loots” are sold directly to NPC buy orders, injecting ridiculous amounts of ISK into economy.
I’m not going to suggest any tolerable reasons for applying a numerous direct nerfs to the “blue looters” instead of introducing a better design for the whole process. Because the obvious reason can be stated like this: “There aren’t many people really living in there, so why would we invest dev time in a redesign while a straight nerf will get the job done”. That’s it, quick and dirty. In other words, Fozzie&Co just think we aren't worth their while.

What I hate the most, is the bs they spill on our ears, like:

• Create some variety and excitement in wormhole mechanics since most haven’t changed in many years

Yes, Nerfbatman, and I bet my bollocks that many players can point at things that require more urgent attention from devs. I don't feel excited rolling my static even now.

• Provide ways for players to engage more fully with the random and mysterious elements of wormhole life and a ease back on attempts to ‘tame’ and control wormhole mechanics.

Fozzie… Be a man, don’t be a fozzing pimp. Don’t call a straightforward nerf “improvements”, “excitement” and s... like that. If you want us all to bring you bucks, go ahead and nerf all NPC-provided sources of ISK equally. When you were introducing those “Extremely Stupid Structures”, you did really care about some delicate and creative feedback to achieve a design, that, while still appears unnatural, at least allows people to make up for additional efforts they invest and risk they accept. Leaving the announced change “as is”, you just indirectly admit that you don’t give a fozz about W-community.
Yes, I am a person that most of you would call a “carebear”. Moreover, I’m a nerd and I say it proudly. Sorry, but when I came to this game, I got under impression that it’s economy is supposed to be balanced for both “nerds” and “buyers”/”reallifers”, where “nerds” have an option to buy game time with the game currency while those who like to “exchange” their real money for ISK, have a great option to do so in a natural manner. In my situation, grinding ISK to PLEX my accs and paying sub fees with RL money are roughly equal. For you, who are going to e-peen with their RL bank accounts, I would like to notice that in my country, a teacher’s average salary is less than I invest in computer games. But before you go trolling me, ask yourself one question: “Who buys all those PLEXes ppl like you bring to hubs because you don’t like to grind?” The answer is pretty obvious – nerds like me do. In fact, I have 18 active accounts with 19 training queues running on them, and I was going to reactivate 2 more. Now, instead of it, I consider reducing my “band” to 13 at most, if not less, and my hommies who were enjoying W-space with me, are going the same way – Bazaar, stock some PLEXes for 1-2 toons they are going to hold “just in case”, and taking a getaway, probably looking for a better entertainment.
Adapt you say? We don’t feel like adapting to a clearly stupid change. We feel like you are trying to **** us and the “adapt” phrases are just insulting, it’s like you ask someone being raped to shut up and try to enjoy the process.
Go to low-sec? Boring. Go to nulls? We neither feel like sucking one of those uber-mega-leet coalition’s D, nor taming numerous null slaves to attempt to build our own. If we want some “guerilla-style PvP” you, devs, were advertising while introducing all those mobile structures, we go join Spectre Fleet, Bombers Bar or any other public NPSI community with our numerous alts and go looking for a pure fun w/o any liabilities to some huge organizations who’s members think that they can dictate their will to anyone just because they have started playing before us. If you want us to go to nulls, then make ‘em viable for tiny yet dedicated groups. Make it really worth settling there.
You don’t like us controlling our environments? Okay, why you are perfectly well with nullsex doing the same thing? A human being differs from an animal by the very ability to make a choice and influence your environment, on more advanced stages of evolution, to form your own even. Those who claim the lack of “randomness” in the WH life saying that we can roll the hole until we get any system we want – it shows that you have never tried to really get into a concrete one. You roll your static(s) until you get something that suits your plans better than the current one, but it takes enough time already. If, say, you want to haul some stuff out, and you roll until you get a way to hi-sec, yes you can get it in a while, but you can’t rely on it being 1j from Jita, you can get 50 jumps instead and you can’t rely on getting something better if you continue rolling, you can’t even expect that rolling will take less time and risk than actually making those 50 jumps. You can’t rely on it remain until you get your hauler back to the exit system and so on. If it’s not random enough for you, then I give up, because I don’t argue with animals. Only animals accept their environments “as is”, with just some minor (in terms of effectiveness) efforts to adjust it. Human beings shall not. Apparently, some animals can be considered even better in terms of building their own environment than you suggest us to be after the s… comes live (sorry, I just can’t call it a patch or an addon). The day you forget about it, you just can’t be counted as an intelligent human being, regardless of your ability to communicate.
Well, at least now we see what CCP really thinks about the “W”-community.
Thanks for your attention.

Yea I agree.

Remove local from nullsec NOW!

Implement these changes but do them on cynos.

OK, so some people living in the safest place in EVE, nullsec, are complaining that rolling a wormhole is not risky enough. OK, OK, I don't think that's true but for the sake of the argument let's say they are right. In this case, is nerfing our ability to use capital offensively the only way to increase risk while rolling w-holes? NO, of course not. Just from the top of my head I could suggest polarization at the first use of the wormhole (except maybe for cov-ops frigs and cov-ops T3s so you don't make mapping a chain a pain). 3-4 minutes polarization should be enough for a fleet to bump off and kill any capital while also increasing risk when jumping from K-space to W-space or the other way around.
I don't know where or from whom this mechanics change originated but it's a bad change and it will have unwanted effects on the meta, please reconsider.
P.S. Remove local in null so we can have some unwanted fun with the carebears of the safest place in EVE .

Well if local makes nullsec too safe, just make people spend isk to keep it.

I think there is a topic about new mobile structures... :)

The mass based spawn distance idea is a very bad idea. It reduces risk and will adversely affect solo/small gang activity in WH's.