Wormholes

Don't want to be the nagging one, but here I go.

When can we expect some feedback regarding cataclysmic variables?

Numbers on CVs.

Archon, all 5 skills, fitting at end of poast.
Paired with another Archon swapping 2 x cap Rr + 2 x Armour RR, rep running, no implants.
Numbers are in GJ or GJ/s : Normal // C1 CV // C2 CV // C3 CV // C4 CV // C5 CV // C6 CV

Cap Pool - 97,900 // 127,200 // 140976 // 154,682 // 168,388 // 182,094 // 195,800
Total Cap Regen GJ/s - 904 // 695 // 704 // 710 // 715 // 718 // 719
Base cap regen GJ/s: 464 // 525 // 548 // 568 // 587 // 604 // 619
Cap from partner GJ/S: 200 // 170 // 156 // 142 / 128 // 114 // 100
Cap use w/inbound: 787 for all classes
Excess or deficit: +117 // -92 // -83 // -77 // -72 // -69 // -68
Recharge time (s): 211 // 242 // 257 // 272 // 286 // 301 // 316

Results: C1 CV is harsher on carriers swapping capacitor because,
a) cap pool increases with class of CV wormhole
b) energy demand is flat - ie; you're always using the same amount of capacitor
c) as cap pool increases, native cap regen increases, at a faster rate as you go up CV classes
d) efficiency of cap transferring decreases, ie; becomes more newtonian and less EVE magic cap from nowhere

Solution is to use metalevel cap transfers, implants, etc. but essentially, spider tanking is dead because 3 heavy neuts into the system at any point in time will break any efficiencies.

Note, also, this is the Archon, which has magical nicorn levels of capacitor. Refer to this pile of EFTcrafting for a discussion relating to why the Archon is king (hint: it ain't the resist profile). So if you struggle to make ends meet in the new cat var after this change in an Archon, you are completely borked in anything else.

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[Archon, C2 Cat Var]

Capital Armor Repairer I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capital Armor Repairer I
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Capital Remote Capacitor Transmitter I
Capital Remote Capacitor Transmitter I
Capital Remote Armor Repairer I
Triage Module I
Capital Remote Armor Repairer I

Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Well they have a choice between breaking CV to being hideously OP now and nerfing again once capitals are rebalanced OR nerfing CVs now and doing the carrier rebalance in their own sweet time.

As stated by you - Spider tanking in cataclysmic has some great synergy effects and becuase you transfer cap it is incredibly harder to make any neut count - but what counterbalances this to quite large degree is the fact that Triage isn´t a viable option in Wormholes with this variable, because of the self rep nerf - what means in PVP engangments your are the sole primiary if you are stupid enough to go into triage ... and then you can´t get any cap from the other carriers and you have to survive under heavy neut pressure on your own with a heavy reduced self rep .....it will most likely result in you going down ...
the whole reason why i think this is balanced is the fact then when you are aren´t in triage every other method of e-war is still a viable option - so instead of neut bring ECM in a Cataclymic bring DAMPS ... that is the e-war to go for in those holes ... and done right is gonna disrupt the Spiedertank on it´s own, no neut needed. but that would mean you´d have to adapt - instead of a Bhallgorn you´d need to bring Scorpion or a Widow ... seems like some are adverse to do that -
so why change it ? - why punish the one living in cataclymsic for the lack of ships others can bring and are willing to ?

edit - some spelling mistakes

W-R changes are....interesting.

The resist nerf will make it harder to do sites in C5 and C6's because your web lokis won't have so many resists it is impossible to lose them, and more importantly, dreads won't get to go resist-light and blap-happy, and might need to put a cap fit in the hold and tank.

However, I think these changes could throw up some oddities. C6 WR with HG Slaves, Damnation boosts and HG-1005.
Lets take the Impel. 725k EHP.
Legion: Twin 1600 plated, 500K EHP
Sacrilege: 300K EHP
Vengeance: 30K EHP, sig radius 18.5 (ie; 20% application of medium weapon damage off the bat)
Armour RLML Tengu, I can't get it to 2340 DPS (would like to know how you get a base RLML damage of 800 out of them) but I can get 850 DPS and 160K EHP.
2100 DPS gank Catalysts @ 16M a pop (yeah, T2 rigged, this is a C6 after all) - not that half the carebears here wwould dare field anything they could ever die in, but lets be honest, just field a wing of these with your third accounts and bring a suicide squad in against their logis and hope you get your pods back to POS for a reship.
Revs: 3 x energized layering membranes and 2 x EANM, 1 x Explo hardener = 1.38M raw armour HP or 5M EHP. A bit shy of a Revhullation with T2 transverse bulkies at 7.13M but you get the idea.

I don't know if this is broken, or just heading towards being boring. I mean, who can record a 22.5 hour long fight on FRAPS as HK and SSC square off with 70 legions a side and Guardians and collectively field over 100M EHP on the field. Let alone the stupidity if they bring even a couple of triage carriers.

Overall I'm happy with Effect Rebalance.
Black Hole effect is unique and interesting.
Wolf Rayet is more niche and more interesting.
Will be leaving CV home system and moving to a WR but maybe the CV rebalance can be tweaked so that it doesn't just debuff every doctrine.

I think you miss the part where your negative effect to inertia is going to be halved so the over all effect will be faster going to warp. Even with the web nerf.

I quite like random spawning from wormholes, for the reasons that the devs gave. but I think there should be introduced a deployable structure that "stabilizes" the wormhole and drastically reduces the distance spawned on the other side (3000m max for Orca) . this way you can jump through safely and on your way back you're on home ground and the distance spawned away isn't as much of a problem for getting ganked. To balance this this wormhole stabilizer should be visable for everyone on there overview; so if you try set one up on the other end you run the risk of being immediately ganked.
This also opens up the possibility of a wormhole destabilizer that increases the distance spawned; making shield fleets potentially viable.

Edit: I am dumb; just realized this is in the wrong thread.

After looking through the list of systems and the rebalance for each I have to say I liked most of what CCP is planning on doing. Black holes especially. Next of course cataclysmic systems. There are a few balances I do not like however. The Wolf-ryet conversion from resist bonus to HP bonus.

I understand CCPs position as to why they want to change it, but it doesn't sit right with me. I've been trying to put my finger on the reason why. It just doesn't feel right to me. And no I do not live in a Wolf-ryet.

All around though Nice job CCP.


On a side note:

CCP I have a suggestion. If you find it feasible, split the CSM into three smaller CSM councils of three or four people. One for Null, Lowsec and W-space. They would all have the same duties as the current incarnation of the CSM does, but they would also represent their own areas of space. Null would have no responsibilities nor any say in W-space or Lowsec. And the other two councils would follow the same guidelines respectively. Also with this paradigm for CSM it would break the sheer numbers that Null Alliances have to control the vote for the majority of the CSM. It would give other organizations to have a primary voice.

Nice work ccp. I like all the new wh effect changes and rebalances. Black holes look great now. I look foward to hunting in them .