Wormholes

Given the track record of CCP. It would be shocking if CCP did not actually implement this in some form, regardless of the very logical reasons that have been given why this is a stupid idea. The fact that they actually coded it and implemented it on Sisi before ANY discussion with the players demonstrates their commitment to the idea.

Yes, they will of course tweak the numbers down.
But if CCP had any guts they would simultaneously implement something in k-space. What is good for one set of space is good for others. And since distance seems to be mass dependent, I would just love to see what the null sec cartels would say if supercarriers should start spawning , oh I dunno, 75 km away, in a random direction, of the cyno, and Titans 125 km.

I believe, based on what I have read/seen, that this will be a boon for folks like ourselves with a HS static or fighting on HS wormholes in general. I for one look forward to folks jumping in and winding up 20km (or whatever) off the HS. Now their "HS games" may have very real consequences, as it should be.

My first concern is on the wh to wh connectors (all classes). Depending on the final code, anything larger than a BS becomes very risky and unfortunately it hits the smaller wh groups far harder that the larger and more well-established ones due to their inability to provide real security in the form of combat ship support while the Orca motors back to jump. While risk should be present, the way this looks like it will be implemented will, IMHO, drive the smaller groups away from w-space as they will not be able to roll for connections as easily. This limits their availability of sites to run, provide for home wh defense (rolling off aggressors), find routes to be used for basic wh logistical purposes (loot, fuel, etc.), or obtain new chains to explore.

Where I find the most potentially critical issue is in the C5/C6 connectors and the transit of cap ships. While it is fairly rare to see people fight on their static as it is, I believe the risk of having your caps end up somewhere far outside the refit range or even rep range (TBD) of your support could seriously and further limit the occurrence of such fights.

If I had to whittle this down into a main statement this is what I would say: CCP, I would suggest that the majority of us roll to look for "content", not run from it. By making it far more risky to roll wh in almost all situations, and heavily favoring large and well-equipped corporations over the smaller and less-experienced ones, you virtually guarantee a significant reduction in attempts to ever gain a foothold in w-space by new entities because it simply isn't worth the risk or effort. I believe this proposed change in any form near where it currently sits pushes the player base in the opposite direction than should be, and will have a detrimental effect on w-space as a whole.

I truly hope you are wrong, messing with core physics does not end well, whether you change the freezing point of water from +2 degrees or + 3 will only change the scale of the disaster, whether you get runaway warming or an ice ball. Neither are a good outcome.

The one thing I can guarantee is this will benefit NO wormhole corp large or small, PvP or PvE.
Others may benefit who do not call wormholes their own, but only for a short killing and destruction spree, but they have no interest in the sustainability of wormholes anyway.

There is a saying never attribute to malice where ignorance is a possibility.

I believe the situation has now been explained clearly by wormhole corps of all types.

So ignorance is no longer a possibility.

I hope and trust that after this CCP may wish to question some of their advisors motivations/ competence.


CCP recommendation for you.
Reply to your customers stating that you thank them for pointing out the existence of issues with the idea that are causing you concern, and you are taking those issues into account, and investigating whether this is the best option to achieve more involving gameplay for all players. And you welcome the wide experience and knowledge of the player base.

Then taking the plan out the back, shooting it in the head, and burying it under an erupting volcano.

We do not need to know how or why you were led into believing that this might be a good idea, everyone can be misled either by those who would do it deliberately or accidentally, please learn from it. Learn who gives you representative feedback and ideas, and who does not........

You are better than this Fozzie, I have seen your work and efforts, and you have proven to be capable and insightful. This is not one of those moments, hence I do not believe this is your idea.

Wormbro are a cool bunch.

Dust forums are pretty bad as well way more hostile than over here.

To be fair on the Dust Bunnies, I'm sure if next Fanfest EvE Keynote CCP announced EvE2 and left with a peace out like they did in the Dust one last year, we'd be acting the same.

It still won't. 40km is the maximum range, kitey ships (which will mean cruisers in the current meta) will end up on the far side well within the range of boosted scrams and webs (and bubbles), at which point they'll just melt.

It would be similar to the situation where a kitey gang jumps through a nullsec gate into bubbled armour fleet. They only have to have a small percentage of your numbers in logi ships before you are unable to engage them anyway because your DPS is all spread out and they can rep more than your effective DPS.

Besides, how would you extract even assuming you could burn out?

Jove space could be just that if the Jovians would die out. Only accessible via WHs and no local. That would be so awesome. :-)

Cleaned up a few posts commenting on forum moderation. Please remember that this thread is about the "Distance that you're being ejected out of a wormhole depends on mass." Please keep it on topic.

Some posters seem rusty on the forum rules. Please take a few minutes to re-familiarize yourselves with the rules. Thanks!

So we can kind of assume that capitals will spawn 10km away? ... which would take you around one and a half minutes to get into jump range.

How long before someone builds a nano-Archon?

I like to think that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I have always found that developers doing changes just because they can have a higher risk of alienating a player base. Of course to certain degree developers should ignore the players, because players have a nifty way of proposing something bat-crazy. In this case it seems to be devs doing that.