Wormholes

It has come to my attention that CCP has another glorious feature making it's way into WH space. (currently on sisi)

The distance that your ship will be ejected out of a wormhole after you jump, is based on it's mass.
Capital ships go up to 40km off the wormhole!

I am very, very curious what's the thought process behind this change, because as a 2+ years old inhabitant of WH space, I can think of ONE positive aspect and numerous negative ones.

Positive:
No more combat rolling (there was counter play to it - going all in)

Negative:
Even more tedious finding active wormholes for fights / other activities
Less confidence in using capital ships in fights as they will almost surely get rolled out by the other party.
(Very rare occurence, but still) jumping 2 carriers possibly could eject them outside of rep range.
Less activity in chains / less ragerolling - less fights
Pretty much invincible scouts (if the distance for frigates also has changed, ejecting them at a distance will let them cloak up 100% of the time after jumping a hole without possibility of reliable counter play).
A fleet jumping a hole will possibly have an option to just moonwalk out of there. Bubbles are only this big.
Unacceptable "random" factor level. It's just impossible to find a reliable counterplay to this change.
(probably many, many more that I cannot think of at the moment)


If an entity doesn't want to fight you, they won't fight anyway, combat rolling was their only option to carry on whatever they had planned in the first place.

Beaten to the punch, will modify my thread to keep it all in the same place.

This was mentioned at fanfest as a feature to encourage fights.

Want to go on record that I am 100% against this change. even if the range limit is shortened.

For PvP-based entities;
Ragerolling will take longer per hole.
Going baseballs deep with your own caps could be utterly useless due to where you spawn in relation to the fight.
Subcap fleets wouldn't be immune either, jumping into an already set up enemy fleet could see your own fleet scattered.
Catching someone on the other side of a wormhole would be harder.
Scout ships (already slippery little devils) would have their levels of slipperiness increased dramatically).

For PvE-based entities;
Implications here are obvious. But rolling wormholes would crazy dangerous (not that it already isn't)

Would this change see more fights in the immediate future? Probably as wormholes are rolled as smaller groups vacate wormholes.

This change benefits the biggest corps/alliances the most. And even then only in the short term.

The basic wormhole mechanics are great. In fact. it is why wormholers are still here.

Wormhole content is not dead, extreme measures are not required.

Confirming: CCP hates wspace.

I'll add that Combat Rolling has a point to it as well: it means that smaller groups can take a fight for long enough to shove people out of their hole when they can't take it due to afk-POS spinning or to stop reinforcements from being added as a fight is prolonged.

Which given that the larger groups are running fleets that occasionally hit 40-50 people is almost an essential. Stopping reinforcements was a tactic in wormhole space that this would remove. Which means that groups without reinforcements will take less fights, I suppose.

When connected to a pvp entity, who will now dare to jump into the other WH for a fight? Especially if it is their home system?

This is bad!!

Worst case scenario, 80k

pls no CCP

taking away an essential tool for smaller groups to even take a fight: less fights
taking away expos where you can't defend your rolling group: less fights

less people in wormhole space: even less fights

no reason we get 90% of our fights in nullsec jesus

ok so some stuff is up on reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2ci5ue/dear_ccp_stop_fucking_with_wormholes_please/

I'll be totally honest I'm not sure what I can and can't say about stuff (i'm checking now on skype).

What would really help is for people to discuss it and put feed back in a calm and meaning full way. Raging and calling people names won't help me at all.

what i mean here is say why you like or dislike it, what effects you think it will have will it be good or bad, give reasons. stuff like "this is terrible RAWRRAWRRAWRRAWR" won't help and will just get in the way.


I see several issues.

it makes a boring job rolling holes more boring.
This favours bigger groups over smaller groups.
C2 to C4 orcas could be a issue.

It probably wont affect farmers at all cos if they connect to a big group they will just not bother to roll and log.




This didn't make it on to my little things sheet btw.

Whoever at CCP came up with this idea, please respond here with why you are doing it.

thanks