Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are sitting in too tight box mate. Ofcource you can refit them on BLOPS without major issues. You just cant carry them comfortably ;) But nothing prevents you leaving one (or more of them) in the depot if you need to refit for something else. With some careful juggling with jetcans and expanders you could even make it so that your fuel truck can pick it up .. or something.

It's just not that relevant for BLOPS scene as it does not affect bridging and if you are hopping around just yourself you most likely are better off with something else instead of this fuel conservation module as BLOPS are already reasonably fuel efficient per ly (as long as they do not need to bridge other stuff around with them). For purely bridge BLOPS which is fitted for that it is probably still better to go with full expanders instead of fitting one or more of these.

But dunno perhaps it would make sense in some scenarios to use some of these on blops. Although BLOPS would benefit more from something that would make it able to extend its jump range.

I can hardly think of anything more interesting than contemplating capital low slots.

I support this idea, however 3500m3 does seem a bit much.

One of you Eve math gurus wanna do the calculations on this one?

An archon with a full fuel bay, jump fuel conservation V and 7 lows fitted the best versions of these 10% including the stacking penalties can go how far now before needing refueling?

This is exactly the point. It completely invalidates the effects of the isotope changes (making them more expensive) for those groups that can, and make no mistake WILL, purchase these in bulk for their capital fleets. This makes perfect sense as an Alliance-level capital fleet expense item. Groups with more ISK than they know what to do with (read: blocs and heads of rental+moon empires) won't even bat an eye at buying these by the hundreds.

However, for other less well supported (propped up) capital pilots, mainly those smaller alliances without moons or renter, or smaller corps, or even individual pilots, will be effectively priced out of these and stuck with the isotope price hike you hit them with. With no mitigation available due to no "Scrooge McDuck" piles of ISK.

Why would these items even be conceptualized if you, CCP, were concerned with the ease of teleportation across the map and then made an change just a few short months ago to make it a little less easy, or at least more expensive to do. This reverses that for those who can pay.

IDGI

Ok, so when I move my dread fleet the whole way across the galaxy, I just dock up one jump out of my destination, unfit these mods, and replace with damage mods and leave it in the station. When I jump out of combat I just refit in station again. Once again this mainly ends up really affecting small alliances without pre-established jump points and large logistics chains, well barely even effecting large alliances and coalitions.

its about the economics

I suggest you read this

its an intresting article (warning its long!)
there is explained in detail why there are only two power blocks in eve nullsec and why game mechanics do not allow a more inhomogenious null space.

its because of mecanics like this (fuel changes)
(fuel costs and now even worse allowing parties that have a good infrastructure to even safe more fuel)

Well said that man. lo-sec has received a great series of buffs lately. NPC 0.0 could do with some love.

I was unclear on this as well since bridge fuel is stront and the cost to jump a ship is based of the base jump cost of the bridging ship if these do reduce the cost of BLOP bridges then i'm fine with them and i think it would fix most of the problems with BLOPS in general. if it doesn't affect the bridge however there wont be much point fitting these on BLOPS. This isn't much of a problem if they were only intended for capital ships however and not BLOPS

As many have stated this will just cause anyone who uses these mods to only go for the Prototype something you have said you wanted avoided with the meta modals why not start your balancing with these give some small buff to each of them


Prototype would just stay with its 10%

but give the limited perhaps a boost to bridge cost and the experimental a boost to cap cost


now these bones are not the best for one it looks like they don't want them to effect bridge cost just examples of things related to jump drives i could think of off hand and would help to add to the choices a pilot could make

totally agree with you both.

if those jump mdules were rigs you wouldnt have the problem i see with those mods and dont create unnecessary clicks
(ofc nobody in the galaxy would fit them well maybe to jf's.... but thats another point)

problem was the feigther rig thing had some flaws of its own.

to me the best solution wold be if theres a need in the economy (from dev side) to cut on fuel prices just give the reduction of 2-3 of those mods fitted to all jumpable ships.
if theres no need then do nothing at all -> dont bring those mods in the game
they offer NOTHING that could be consdiered as FUN