Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with the restriction. While it would have been nice to have on blackops BS, I was less enthused about having the jump drive economy modules available for supercarriers and titans, whose fleet hangars are large enough to carry them without issue. Keeping the modules available only for logistics vessels like Rorquals and Jump Freighters with low to no combat or force projection utility is a good move.

It also gives me a little faith that the Rorqual, one of my favorite and most-used ships, will retain its logistics role going forward.

+1

Why would someone be jumping a rorqual around?

Yay, sandbox!
These should have been rigs from the very beginning, now look what a nonsense you are creating.
Stop it.
Make the rigs. And introduce freighter rig slots in the next expansion.

And btw, "they would anyway" phrase... Should I remind you the story about jet-can mining?

I find this decision highly disappointing. I was really looking forward for fitting these on a BLOPS I use to haul my pod around and/or on a suitcase carrier. This restriction severely limits the player choice in the matter. Also - I believe these would have seen much more frequent use on Carriers than they would on JF's.

On a JF and Roqual the decision is pretty straightforward (depending if you have full bay of stuff, if not fit these) and on top of that the JF nor Roqual has any issues whatsoever carrying these around and/or refitting. If you limit it only for the JF / Roqual then you might as well reduce the volume to 100 m3. Or if you want the volume to be relevant for the Roqual then you would need to increase it above 16 600 m3 per module. The 3500 m3 size is after all specifically targeted at carriers and if carriers cant fit these there is no point of clinging to that particular size.

Granted on a suitcase carrier the decision is just as straightforward - always fit these.

Anyway - I know that patch is sort of creeping near - but have you considered perhaps adding a meaningful penalty to these modules and still allow them to be fitted on all jump capable ships. The most obvious meaningful penalty is ofc course the jump range (give JF and Roqual a role bonus negating that penalty if that is the main location where these modules are supposed to be used). Say, for example, the modules would give the currently proposed fuel savings AND the same percentage penalty into the jump range (similarly stacking penalized).

That would be in my opinion a meaningful decision to be made. Just banning the modules outright on anything but the ships on which they are "designed" to work is limiting player choice and emergent behavior. I can understand why it is needed in some cases (like cov ops cloaks) but the smaller is the number of "exceptions" in the rules the more sand I have in my sandbox.

So I would respectfully request you to reconsider this decision if this is still possible. If not then please add more universal modules for fuel reduction in the next patch without this artificial restriction.

Where are you getting this from?Tou must have also been disturbed when you found out bastions was only for marauders, siege/triage only for dreads/carriers, and covert cloaks/cynos only fitting on covert ops ships. It's nothing new. What this does is keep the impact of the fuel changes on normal capitals while giving the JF the lowslot option(s) that were promised.

I for one am deeply disturbed that I can't fit 7 bomb launchers to my phoon.

That is not true. The fuel consumption was increased by 50%. The fuel cost reduction caps out at approx 25% with the 10% versions because of stacking penalties. Fitting anything above 4 is pretty much pointless.

As for the reason why - well we can only speculate but my suspicion is that it's not the fuel reductions on blops which made them do that decision. I can see few possibilities.
(1) The reduction in online POS numbers might have been far more drastic than they expected after the industry expansion. So they feel that they must somehow burn all the isotopes to maintain luractivity of the ice mining.
(2) The implemented the restriction mechanic to make it impossible to fit these on frigates and such for easy carrying in a carrier. Then the Q&A guys who were already stressed bcos of the patch creeping near went somethign on the lines of "no way in hell can we test all combinations of that before the patch" and the decision was made to just leave em for Roq and JF (a lot less Q&A). Basically a lazy shortcut to squeeze something already advertised for the upcoming patch into the available time resources.
(3) It is theoretically possible that they might be worried about Carriers using that. I cant quite figure out why, exactly, would they be worried about that other than the abovementioned 2 points as for large coalitions the fuel cost is kinda pointless, their pilots do not buy their own fuel anyway and at most it might mean an extra JF run to the refueling midpoint. Small entities and solo pilots are not moving large enough distances on regular basis to have an significant effect.
(4) There might have been technical problems when trying to make it so that one can not fit a frigate fitted with these in a carrier. This would be a just lazy shortcut to remove the "problem" altogether from the agenda.

And while i must admit it is dissappointing that i will not be able to fit these to my Thanatos It does make sense, would be too easy to fit 3 of these and then refit when you drop your carrier fleet to full combat fit. Which circumvents the whole fuel amount and cost change CCP put in place. Oh well, good change either way and its a step foreward to making the rorqual viable once more

Can't you just go all the way untiil the very last jump with some dude in a JF to hold all the modules and log-off to be "hidden" in space while you fight in a full combat fit, then relog when the shoooting is done and the first jump out of the fight system is amde to give back all the modules to low-cost travel back home? Sure it's extra logistic work but many player organisation would only see it as a minor muscle flexing over what they already do...