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Dev blog: EVE Industry - All you want to know

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Laughable Xhosa Girl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#461 - 2014-07-27 04:01:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
we recognize that sometimes it's upsetting to be in the presence of greats. i mean if i really loved to play basketball and really wanted to be good at it i'd probably get frustrated by playing against lebron james and getting squashed and knowing that i was never going to be on that level. and i'm way closer to lebron than most people itt are to us, so it's got to be even worse.

but the thing is we're here to help. you may dislike our swarthy alliance, our rugged good looks and our well-deserved swagger as the preeminent economic group in eve, miles above even our closest competitors (who, i regret to say, are none of you). but we're always dispensing helpful advice that you don't want to hear.

you probably can't ever be us:


You know who were the last Superior Men talking and downtalking like you are? It was BoB propagandists.

You have become like and worse than them, and this is aggravating considering how arrogant they were.

That's why many supported TEST, at least they were still like you were years ago.


people who supported test were idiots hope that helps
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#462 - 2014-07-27 05:03:15 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:

your central thesis here is that a group of people who each could buy and sell you a few times over at a minimum are each annoyed by a highsec pubbie calling them bad

have you seen what every other highsec pubbie who scrabbles for isk does on eveo? or just in this very thread?


The "group of people" is 3 for what I remember and you are not one of them. I could buy YOU a few times over.


Yeah, actually he is one of them.

Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Valedictio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#463 - 2014-07-27 12:53:47 UTC
I came back to see how this thread was doing, Oh Dear, as a Reminder for some, written in the 'FORUM RULES'

2. Be respectful toward others at all times.

The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.

Just thought I would add this, for some strange reason I thought I had entered GD,

I have managed to completely forget what I was going to try and contribute,

Then again this 'Pubbie' as some so offhandedly abuse others with, would rather leave you to your 'constructive comments' and enjoy myself elsewhere.

and now for some more of the same from the Constructive Feedback Consortium.

Human Torch time and ..........'FLAME ON'
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#464 - 2014-07-27 14:13:40 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:

your central thesis here is that a group of people who each could buy and sell you a few times over at a minimum are each annoyed by a highsec pubbie calling them bad

have you seen what every other highsec pubbie who scrabbles for isk does on eveo? or just in this very thread?


The "group of people" is 3 for what I remember and you are not one of them. I could buy YOU a few times over.


Yeah, actually he is one of them.


There are 10. Though only 5 or so are filthy rich.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Laura Belle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#465 - 2014-07-27 21:42:45 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Doug Dannger wrote:
So even after promising you guys weren't gonna screw over people who researched their blueprints to a high level, you're still gonna screw us?



Let me guess. You researched your BPOS to ridiculously high levels in spite of the fact that they would never be perfect, and are now complaining that they are now actually perfect.

PERFECT > not perfect. And you still complain.

There are a lot of things I would like to say about this. But they would all get me banned from the forums.



Huh?
when this new "PERFECT" = old -2ME bpc, i'de definetly worry abut this "perfection"
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#466 - 2014-07-27 21:55:07 UTC
Laura Belle wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Doug Dannger wrote:
So even after promising you guys weren't gonna screw over people who researched their blueprints to a high level, you're still gonna screw us?



Let me guess. You researched your BPOS to ridiculously high levels in spite of the fact that they would never be perfect, and are now complaining that they are now actually perfect.

PERFECT > not perfect. And you still complain.

There are a lot of things I would like to say about this. But they would all get me banned from the forums.



Huh?
when this new "PERFECT" = old -2ME bpc, i'de definetly worry abut this "perfection"

t2 bpos got shafted in this expansion on purpose

look forward to further shaftings and/or straight removals in the future
Jonathan Yatolila
BKRFLD
#467 - 2014-07-28 07:59:32 UTC
Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:
Arist en Daire wrote:
Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:
its kinda funny that the only activity supposed 'economic experts' were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs


You are so correct!!! The only people posting that are "supposed 'economic experts' " are those who "were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs". Yeah RIIIGGGHHTTTT!!!!!!!

I have never (yet) researched a BP nor sold one. Have preferred to buy and use the "hilariously over-researched bpcs" because they were more economical both in terms of production time and more particularly in terms of materials. Both of which contribute to the cost of manufacture.

My major isk making is in trading - which I do rather well at. I have 21 units of graduate studies completed towards an MBA, I have owned my own business in the work-aday-world and I have 6 years experience in retail management -- so I probably know at least a "little" about economics and the market.

Now -- let's hear your credentials.


i believe that you are a MBA grad student because you are completely incapable of separating theory from actual real or in this game, ingame, application



Hmmm - so what you are truly saying - or in this case not saying - is that you have no credentials. Thank you for that admission.
Veruca d'Artan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#468 - 2014-07-28 13:57:12 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Pixi Potts wrote:


Teams is other bad idea, all the nullsec alliances will win them every time, so you will just see them most of them in nullsec.


Of active teams available in the world right now a little under half are in nullsec/wspace, a very small handful are in lowsec, and the other little under half are in highsec. Please check the facts before you spew out nonsense, thanks.


Let me quote:
"Speaking of teams, looks like all the decent capital manufacturing teams are getting hired in null sec for 20-75 million a pop right now. Its going to be next to impossible to get on to Iges, but I'll keep trying." Inner sanctum of the Ninveah

And I agree there: When someone says "all the nullsec alliances will win them every time" they mean most of the better teams are in nullsec.
I have been looking for good teams (ME teams, TE teams are most of the time not worth the extra wage as we want cost reduction) and most of those are indeed in nullsec. Especially the ones with combined classes (2% class + 4% specific; like Capital / Freighter for building 6% reduced cost freighters)
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#469 - 2014-07-28 15:35:04 UTC
have you tried bidding for the teams instead of just sitting there slack-jawed shaking your fist at the evil nullsec people
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#470 - 2014-07-28 16:06:14 UTC
here is the big secret re: teams and nullsec

prior to crius, there was no reason to build anything in nullsec other than supercaps

every nullsec haver that wanted to do industry did it with neutral alts in highsec

i have it on a reasonable authority that many members of the goonswarm economic warfare cabal, Übermenschen of eve, made a significant amount of money in highsec building things on neutral alts before crius hit

then the patch comes and suddenly there is merit in building in nullsec

thus begins the great exodus of alts of nullsec players, who you'd normally count as highsec industrialists, to nullsec where the superior facilities can be leveraged

teams soon follow
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#471 - 2014-07-28 17:37:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
How unsurprising, I come back after some days and I see a flood of posts all from one side.

So, to recap, EvE now consists of:

- Territory control heavily dominated by one.

- Economy partly dominated by one (and I suppose, they are diligently working on fixing the "partly").

- Industry being shifted away to suit and follow.

- Forums just flooded to crush any outsider opinion, any attempt to raise the head.


Speaking on general terms, now EvE consists of two "factions":

- those who took control and dominate with a strong grip.

- the others.


Considering it's now several years that "the others" did not manage to raise any new "champion" they are getting crushed more and more to minimal terms. Past a certain thresold - a thresold possibily already passed, the process becomes irreversible.

Those who could have had a potential to put up a fight and reverse this dominion are well beyond caring, the more they steer EvE away from pleasing a vast, general playerbase (good for continued CCP business) and go towards catering to an elite of Übermensch the less the general playerbase will care.

That's why many supported TEST, they were a possible contender and the last hope to see a change.


I hope CCP will be very good with their marketing targeting and find some new players who are so clueless to not care they are playing a game that not only is aging and getting more and more rigged, but has been won and is done (*).

I won't even bother to get back and read the 99999999999999999999 spam replies, I know will be made.
Welcome to the Machine, clockwork and ruthless till down the smallest details and proclaims. 1 million against one and strictly playing under Sun Tzu and classic Sirloin's Play To Win (at all costs) bibles.


(*) Eagerly awaiting for EvE 4 XBox so dumbed down that it'll provide the ideal player base. We are getting there, years of making EvE more and more "streamlined" would produce such fruits.

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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#472 - 2014-07-28 18:04:34 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
How unsurprising, I come back after some days and I see a flood of posts all from one side.

So, to recap, EvE now consists of:

- Territory control heavily dominated by one.

- Economy partly dominated by one (and I suppose, they are diligently working on fixing the "partly").

- Industry being shifted away to suit and follow.

- Forums just flooded to crush any outsider opinion, any attempt to raise the head.


Speaking on general terms, now EvE consists of two "factions":

- those who took control and dominate with a strong grip.

- the others.


Considering it's now several years that "the others" did not manage to raise any new "champion" they are getting crushed more and more to minimal terms. Past a certain thresold - a thresold possibily already passed, the process becomes irreversible.

Those who could have had a potential to put up a fight and reverse this dominion are well beyond caring, the more they steer EvE away from pleasing a vast, general playerbase (good for continued CCP business) and go towards catering to an elite of Übermensch the less the general playerbase will care.

That's why many supported TEST, they were a possible contender and the last hope to see a change.


I hope CCP will be very good with their marketing targeting and find some new players who are so clueless to not care they are playing a game that not only is aging and getting more and more rigged, but has been won and is done (*).

I won't even bother to get back and read the 99999999999999999999 spam replies, I know will be made.
Welcome to the Machine, clockwork and ruthless till down the smallest details and proclaims. 1 million against one and strictly playing under Sun Tzu and classic Sirloin's Play To Win (at all costs) bibles.


(*) Eagerly awaiting for EvE 4 XBox so dumbed down that it'll provide the ideal player base. We are getting there, years of making EvE more and more "streamlined" would produce such fruits.

the "pretend not to care anymore while increasingly betraying my lack of knowledge about how the game works" gambit I see

very bold
Laughable Xhosa Girl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#473 - 2014-07-29 00:02:47 UTC
Jonathan Yatolila wrote:
Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:
Arist en Daire wrote:
Laughable Xhosa Girl wrote:
its kinda funny that the only activity supposed 'economic experts' were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs


You are so correct!!! The only people posting that are "supposed 'economic experts' " are those who "were good at was selling hilariously over-researched bpcs". Yeah RIIIGGGHHTTTT!!!!!!!

I have never (yet) researched a BP nor sold one. Have preferred to buy and use the "hilariously over-researched bpcs" because they were more economical both in terms of production time and more particularly in terms of materials. Both of which contribute to the cost of manufacture.

My major isk making is in trading - which I do rather well at. I have 21 units of graduate studies completed towards an MBA, I have owned my own business in the work-aday-world and I have 6 years experience in retail management -- so I probably know at least a "little" about economics and the market.

Now -- let's hear your credentials.


i believe that you are a MBA grad student because you are completely incapable of separating theory from actual real or in this game, ingame, application



Hmmm - so what you are truly saying - or in this case not saying - is that you have no credentials. Thank you for that admission.


i have stayed at many Holiday Inns
Laughable Xhosa Girl
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#474 - 2014-07-29 00:06:50 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
How unsurprising, I come back after some days and I see a flood of posts all from one side.

So, to recap, EvE now consists of:

- Territory control heavily dominated by one.

- Economy partly dominated by one (and I suppose, they are diligently working on fixing the "partly").

- Industry being shifted away to suit and follow.

- Forums just flooded to crush any outsider opinion, any attempt to raise the head.


Speaking on general terms, now EvE consists of two "factions":

- those who took control and dominate with a strong grip.

- the others.


We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Goon Posters
SCIACARL MARTE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#475 - 2014-07-30 09:22:13 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
SpacePhenix wrote:
SCIACARL MARTE wrote:
Hello, I must say that on the test server I could not appreciate the advantages of the new manufactory system but today, in really jobs I find it very useful, good.
When is to have multiple inventions?


There is abselutly nothing about this patch that is good... Those of you that think diferently ....Have abselutly no clue of what your talkin about...


Please tells us more, we need more themepark carebear logic.


I do not know if any of you know the industry in EVE or produces anything but the new system of industry is absolutely wonderful, I can deliver the work anywhere, I perfectly under control what materials I miss them and I choose what to produce according to inventories, all with a click, inventions super fast search and copy always at hand. I do not care of the problems of megacorp POS, I do not care about the PVP.
Gothie Maulerant
Solar Havoc Technologies
#476 - 2014-07-30 09:25:37 UTC
Question - there are 14,000 lines in the reprocessing table, almost all of whch line up perfectly with the blueprint manufacturing table. Except for a whole 86 lines... (see list below; duplicates in case multiple materials differ in reprocessing / mfg values).

Any reason for this?

Thanks,
G.


Mobile Large Jump Disruptor I
Mobile Large Jump Disruptor I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Mobile Small Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Small Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Medium Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Medium Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Medium Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Large Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Large Warp Disruptor I
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Shadow Large Blaster Battery
Shadow Large Blaster Battery
Blood Large Pulse Laser Battery
Angel Large AutoCannon Battery
Angel Large AutoCannon Battery
Angel Large Artillery Battery
Angel Large Artillery Battery
Domination Large Artillery Battery
Domination Large Artillery Battery
Serpentis Warp Disruption Battery
Shadow Warp Disruption Battery
Serpentis Medium Blaster Battery
Serpentis Medium Railgun Battery
Blood Medium Beam Laser Battery
Dark Blood Medium Beam Laser Battery
Blood Medium Pulse Laser Battery
Blood Small Beam Laser Battery
Dark Blood Small Pulse Laser Battery
Angel Medium Artillery Battery
Angel Small AutoCannon Battery
Sansha Large Pulse Laser Battery
Sansha Medium Beam Laser Battery
Sansha Medium Pulse Laser Battery
Sansha Small Beam Laser Battery
True Sansha Large Beam Laser Battery
True Sansha Medium Pulse Laser Battery
True Sansha Small Beam Laser Battery
Shadow Sensor Dampening Battery
Sansha Energy Neutralizing Battery
Blood Energy Neutralizing Battery
Dark Blood Energy Neutralizing Battery
Mobile Tractor Unit
'Packrat' Mobile Tractor Unit
'Magpie' Mobile Tractor Unit
Mobile Large Jump Disruptor I
Mobile Large Jump Disruptor I
Mobile Large Jump Disruptor I
Improved Cloaking Device II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Mobile Small Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Small Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Small Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Medium Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Medium Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Large Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Large Warp Disruptor I
Mobile Large Warp Disruptor I
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II
Serpentis Large Blaster Battery
Serpentis Large Blaster Battery
Serpentis Large Railgun Battery
Shadow Large Railgun Battery
Shadow Large Railgun Battery
Blood Large Beam Laser Battery
Serpentis Warp Scrambling Battery
Shadow Warp Scrambling Battery
Shadow Medium Blaster Battery
Shadow Medium Railgun Battery
Dark Blood Medium Pulse Laser Battery
Dark Blood Small Beam Laser Battery
Blood Small Pulse Laser Battery
Domination Medium Artillery Battery
Domination Small AutoCannon Battery
Sansha Small Pulse Laser Battery
True Sansha Large Pulse Laser Battery
True Sansha Medium Beam Laser Battery
True Sansha Small Pulse Laser Battery
Serpentis Sensor Dampening Battery
True Sansha Energy Neutralizing Battery
Scan Acquisition Array II
Scan Pinpointing Array II
Scan Rangefinding Array II
DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
#477 - 2014-08-28 15:13:22 UTC
Gothie Maulerant wrote:
Question - there are 14,000 lines in the reprocessing table, almost all of whch line up perfectly with the blueprint manufacturing table. Except for a whole 86 lines... (see list below; duplicates in case multiple materials differ in reprocessing / mfg values).

Any reason for this?

Thanks,
G.

*snip*


Submit it via a BR so you can get an official statement from them saying "It looks okay to us"..
Once you can link it to pew-pew then BR it again and someone who gives 0.02 might actually look at it.

The people who can answer such a question are likely ignoring the thread.
There were a lot of manual adjustments in the changes, It will now get more skewed over time as the changes were there to let them adjust build input without worrying about refine output.
There are only a few items on that list where you could compress or do something similar. It is likely those items will get fixed/changed in the future if they are still usable in that way. As long as output is not greater than Input then there should be no need to worry.

For reference, in the past when some of these items were "changed", ccp would make them non-refinable. I don't think this should ever happen again with the current changes.
Yrogerg Nord
Grumpy Old Guys
#478 - 2014-08-29 19:30:54 UTC
When are you going to fix it so that the minerals refined in a corporation Hangar dumping into an Individuals Item Hangar? Oops

This prevents me the CEO from working from the Same STATION as my Corporation Hangar is in. Please return the Refining to the Pre-Crius state.