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Solo L4 mission with T1 guns
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baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#21 - 2014-07-20 16:23:56 UTC
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Navy Vexor, even with T 1 sentries you will blitz through level 3s pretty quick, the ship is fast and maneuverable at least compared to a BS and can also get optimized for warp speed to take even more advantage of it.

Plus a navy vexor isn´t expensive and if you fancy it use faction sentries.
Better damage application, quicker than a battleship and cheaper.

Navy Vexor for level 3s all the way!


Less firepower than a battleship and it doesn't have the slots to spare like a battleship does for those warp speed rigs, tank, firepower and range or the ability to fit the mjd. Its a great ship and gets the job done well but cant do what a battleship can.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#22 - 2014-07-20 17:12:09 UTC
BS for L3s is plain bad idea.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#23 - 2014-07-20 17:16:25 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
BS for L3s is plain bad idea.

why?

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baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#24 - 2014-07-20 17:16:32 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
BS for L3s is plain bad idea.


How?

They earn the most isk from level 3 missions.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#25 - 2014-07-20 17:56:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
BS for L3s is plain bad idea.


How?

They earn the most isk from level 3 missions.

To be fair, that will rather depend on whose L3s you run…x
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#26 - 2014-07-20 18:00:01 UTC
Tippia wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
BS for L3s is plain bad idea.


How?

They earn the most isk from level 3 missions.

To be fair, that will rather depend on whose L3s you run…x


Doesn't matter who you are running missions for, battleships are always the best at earning the isk running them.

Now who you should be running missions for is a whole different matterBlink
stoicfaux
#27 - 2014-07-20 18:01:15 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
BS for L3s is plain bad idea.

I disagree: [Kronos 2014] Machariel: King of Level 3s (86M/isk in assets/hour)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-07-20 18:10:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Doesn't matter who you are running missions for, battleships are always the best at earning the isk running them.
Oh I don't know. Some LP stores are simply that bad.
stoicfaux
#29 - 2014-07-20 18:17:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Doesn't matter who you are running missions for, battleships are always the best at earning the isk running them.
Oh I don't know. Some LP stores are simply that bad.

Interbus?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-07-20 18:56:45 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lasers absolutely do not work with T1 ammunition unless you use Beams, which are a fitting nightmare. And even then the performance is sketchy.

Like baltec said, just do L3s really fast instead.


Just tested apocalypse.. t2 tank .. 3 heat sinks and meta 4 dual heavy beams (the cheap fit ones).... works pretty well.


While Dual Heavy Beams (as well as Quad Beams) are arguably the most beautiful weapons in EVE and get a huge eyecandy-bonus, their short range and low dps make them actually a poor choice for PVE.
I used a NApoc with meta 4 Megapulses before I could use t2 and it worked perfectly fine. 912 dps with IN-MF + Hammerheads and decent range.
The only problem is, without t2 guns you won't be able to use Scorch, so your dps at greater ranges will be lower. At facemelt-range meta-4 performs just as well and is easier to fit.
That being said, Baltec is right, if you are in Gallente territory, you should rather use a ship that deals therm/kin damage.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Chirjo Durruti
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-07-20 19:07:24 UTC
Azazil Amatin wrote:

2. I will be able to use T1 sentry drones soon but NOT T2 sentry drones (38 days to train for that :( ). However, I was hoping to use Amarr Battleships instead of Gallente (even though I'm Gallente). Since I can't use T2 guns yet, should I go for a drone Dominix for soloing L4?

Use faction sentry drones. They have same damage, optimal and falloff than their t2 variants and have better tracking and tank.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-07-20 19:17:58 UTC
Chirjo Durruti wrote:
Azazil Amatin wrote:

2. I will be able to use T1 sentry drones soon but NOT T2 sentry drones (38 days to train for that :( ). However, I was hoping to use Amarr Battleships instead of Gallente (even though I'm Gallente). Since I can't use T2 guns yet, should I go for a drone Dominix for soloing L4?

Use faction sentry drones. They have same damage, optimal and falloff than their t2 variants and have better tracking and tank.

This is probably the best advice. A MJD Dominix with faction sentries would be a good choice. With the new drone skill changes drone Interfacing 4 is fine.

The problem with asking questions in the forms is you have to sort through the trolls and bad advice.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#33 - 2014-07-20 19:33:46 UTC
With my current skills + tracking computer and mix of crystals (for always being in optimal range) in apocalypse I average with the meta 4 dual heavy around 500-1500 damage per 4.6 seconds.... it's pretty nice considering but extremely dependent on range\speed\angle.

with right situations using microwave crystal I can 1 shot frigs up to the max lock range of my ship (around 90km).

it's possible to use meta 4 guns but slower then meta 4 cruise.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#34 - 2014-07-20 21:17:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Azazil Amatin wrote:
is it a bad idea to use laser for missioning in Gallente space? I hear confusing info about that.

“Bad”? No.
Suboptimal, yes.

You'll want weapons that primarily deliver kinetic and thermal damage. You'll want to stay away from explosive and EM. Lasers do a mix of EM and Thermal (with an emphasis on the former) so you'll always do a fair bit less damage than you could with a more appropriate weapon system.


optimal involves having the right ship for various missions, sometimes that means lasers. But of course in gallente space lasers all the time is suboptimal.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-07-21 01:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
IIshira wrote:
Chirjo Durruti wrote:
Azazil Amatin wrote:

2. I will be able to use T1 sentry drones soon but NOT T2 sentry drones (38 days to train for that :( ). However, I was hoping to use Amarr Battleships instead of Gallente (even though I'm Gallente). Since I can't use T2 guns yet, should I go for a drone Dominix for soloing L4?

Use faction sentry drones. They have same damage, optimal and falloff than their t2 variants and have better tracking and tank.

This is probably the best advice. A MJD Dominix with faction sentries would be a good choice. With the new drone skill changes drone Interfacing 4 is fine.

The problem with asking questions in the forms is you have to sort through the trolls and bad advice.



yep generic low skill spider tank MJD dominix ( 4 DDAs in low plus 3 slot tank, 3 optimal script omnis in mids plus range scripted SEBO and MJD and 3 or 4 DLAs in the highs) and faction sentries will handle most level 4s. Shoot from 120km plus to be safe take out frigates first. Only Gurista will give it trouble cos Gurista suck to spider tank.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#36 - 2014-07-21 01:44:08 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
BS for L3s is plain bad idea.



True if you follow traditional fitting plans.

Medium rails on a Rokh work quite well. Geddon has no gun bonus anyway, if you are using it to run 3's put Medium Hybrid on it as well.

As for T1, Meta 4 and faction ammo always was good enough. Nothing has changed in mission content that made it not good enough. Attitude made T2 mandatory.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-07-21 02:11:28 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
BS for L3s is plain bad idea.



True if you follow traditional fitting plans.

Medium rails on a Rokh work quite well. Geddon has no gun bonus anyway, if you are using it to run 3's put Medium Hybrid on it as well.

As for T1, Meta 4 and faction ammo always was good enough. Nothing has changed in mission content that made it not good enough. Attitude made T2 mandatory.


drone/RHML rattler eats level 3s
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#38 - 2014-07-21 08:25:47 UTC
Azazil Amatin wrote:
However, I was hoping to use Amarr Battleships instead of Gallente (even though I'm Gallente). Since I can't use T2 guns yet, should I go for a drone Dominix for soloing L4?

If anyone has a fit for L4 missions with T1 guns (laser or hybrid) that works for solo missioning, please feel free to share.


Hi.

I am in the same boat. I am a gallente and I love Amarr ships. So I used Armageddon navy issue and Hyperion for my missions. Even before I could use T2 drones. It worked, though of cause much slower , than in artillery fit Machariel.

Armageddon Navy Issue has big natural armor tank and enough drone bandwidth to use full flight of sentry drones. It has also enough fitting to get 6 tachyon beams, so even with all T1 modules you can snipe with large micro jump, which is the safest way of doing L4 missions. It makes em and thermic damage, which is perfect against drones, sansha and blood raiders.

It sucks against angels, though. So I got Hyperion to deal with Angels, Serpentis or mercenaries. Hyperion is not sniper boat, but it can rep a lot. So you fight in middle range. Which brings you very different experience from doing L4 missions.

To stay with L3 missions is a bad idea. Low skilled player makes more ISk and almost same LP sniping L4 missions instead of strugling with hitting swarm of small targets with biig guns. And most of battleships has bonuses to big guns. That why it is not a good idea to use battleships for L3 mission. Of cause there are exceptions, but I doubt that with low skills and T1 modules you can use anything better, than a Gnosis for L3 missions.

If you want my low skill fits for ANI or Hypo - I can post them. Dominix shines with gallente BS skill at least at 4 and T2 drones.
I doubt you will benefit from it untill you can fit all this:
[Dominix, Dominix - 101 km L4 mission runner]
Large Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II

Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Large Micro Jump Drive
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Tungsten Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Tungsten Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Tungsten Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Tungsten Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I
Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Drone Scope Chip I

Warden II x5
Garde II x5
Curator II x5

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Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-07-21 08:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsa Hayes
baltec1 wrote:
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Navy Vexor, even with T 1 sentries you will blitz through level 3s pretty quick, the ship is fast and maneuverable at least compared to a BS and can also get optimized for warp speed to take even more advantage of it.

Plus a navy vexor isn´t expensive and if you fancy it use faction sentries.
Better damage application, quicker than a battleship and cheaper.

Navy Vexor for level 3s all the way!


Less firepower than a battleship and it doesn't have the slots to spare like a battleship does for those warp speed rigs, tank, firepower and range or the ability to fit the mjd. Its a great ship and gets the job done well but cant do what a battleship can.


Assuming running Level 3s
Using navy sentries it ( navy vexor) has 601 dps with imp navy curators, 639 with fed navy gardes with 3 hyperspacial velocity optimizer I and ascendancy as you suggested you get 7,6 AU/sec warp speed beating any BS aside from the Machariel by 2.5 AU/s If you use tech II hyperspacial velocity optimizers the differences becomes even more glaring in favor of the cruiser.

A RHML Raven factoring in reload has LESS dps, is slower overall, aligns slower AND warps slower, the only thing it does it tanks better. Well of course you can use faction ammo and overheat everything every single mission if you fancy it but we were talking about low skill point mission running anyways so we can´t assume everything in perfect conditions.

The only BS worth using for Level 3 blitzing would be the Machariel since it can get the same warp speed as the vexor with good speed better tank and more dps. Too bad that things costs 680 mill right of the bat vs a 80 mill cruiser.

For level 4s yes battleships are the obvious choice but for level 3s even without hyperspacial rigs a cruiser warps only 0.2 slower than a war speed optimized BS, assuming both use ascendancy imps. Now factor in align time and the difference vanishes. Even if you use tech II rigs on the battleship you only gain 0.5 AU/s over a none rigged cruiser....
Use tech II rigs on the cruiser and you get 5.2 AU/sec a 1.7 AU gain over the BS.

But tbh ascendancy imp should not be factored in if we are talking about a rather new player since a mid grade set already costs ~500 mill, same goes for tech II rigs. Right now for the ops purpose a navy vexor used to farm level 3s would be the most cost effective and quickest choice. With full complement of faction sentries we are looking at a total investment of maybe 140-160 mill.
ashley Eoner
#40 - 2014-07-21 11:10:36 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Train up and just use a regular Dominix with T2 sentry drones.

Hell, I had to log into the game to see if I had any guns fitted on my mission ship.

I have, two light neutron blasters as I do not like empty slots.

so instead of 34 days for t2 guns he's spending 34+ days for t2 sentry drones.... That sounds like an awesome plan!!
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