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I have to say as someone who has trained upwards of 10 alts just to build capital parts and this skill being required, i do feel very cheated on the time wasted, as i would not be bothered by an extra 5% time on capital parts. This is a very very very bad change and needs to be looked into.

I support reimbursement - but only for people who can prove that they have never benefited from training the Material Efficiency skill.

I don't want any kind of TE effect, i specifically trained for a ME effect.

Or in other words, if I set up a 20min production run or two before i log off, i won't be able to even NOTICE any time adjustments on my next login.

This isnt a skill change at all, the only thing related is that they are both industry skills. If it was PE turning into this it would make more sense, but how does reduction of materials needed have anything to do with build time?
Renaming skills is one thing, but this is removing of a skill and adding another, not a simple rework

As someone who only dabbles in industry currently, having built some of my own ships as a goal, and producing items from BPCs gathered from exploration or LP, I found that training ME V was highly beneficial for the reduction in materials required, giving me that little extra ISK from production.

Changing this skill to a reduction in time means nothing to me, as I will very, very rarely have even one production line in use, let along all four that my skills allow me to use. I am fully for the SP to be refunded from the ME skill, as the casual industrialist (I fall into the very casual side of the spectrum) will likely find the new version of this skill to be nothing more than something that is nice to have trained to level III or IV but probably won't bother training to V.

That assumes you can have your production lines running all the time, which isn't always practical or reasonable. Most people probably have their production lines set to end while they're asleep or while they're at work, and if they're building less than 20 things at a time (fairly common to have batches of less than 20 for things like ships, I suspect) they may not be able to take advantage of this skill at all.


Sometimes it's a waste, sometimes it isn't. If I (for example) primarily manufacture pirate faction ships from BPCs, 5% TE doesn't matter in the slightest.

The ME skill was useful to every manufacturer, no matter what you manufactured or how often you manufactured. This TE skill is, I suspect, only useful to a relatively small subset of very high throughput manufacturers. Really, that's my fundamental problem with this change--taking an immensely useful, basic, core skill and changing it a "specialization" which gives even less benefit than pretty much any other specialization skill in the game. Really, are there any other 1%/level skills?

Good to hear that this isn't the only option that's been considered, though. Hopefully this won't be the final iteration.

you don't get refunds on changed skills, never have and never will.

this is just a completely different skill, in both name and function

transferring the skill points is not appropriate in this case

remove PE and add advanced industry it as a new skill

if industrialists wish to obtain this skill then they can invest the unallocated SP to do so

This replacement is unacceptable. Refund SP. Let us choose if we want to use this heavily niched skill or not.

This is quite irritating - I've just started two alts and spent most of a plex training this skill up on them which I wouldn't have done otherwise. I think the people demanding a skill point refund are getting overly emotional however its certainly the case that the skill has gone from important to negligible. Industry V with a 5% reduction in build time is somewhat ignorable unless you need it for a particular BPO requirement so it will be the same for this skill as well. Even more so as it will take 5 levels of Advanced Industry to achieve the same as 1 level of Industry.

I think the best course here would be to bake in 5% waste to each blueprint then have this skill reduce the waste by 1% per level. That way it reduces the impact of the waste mechanic on newer players but still gives a meaningful improvement to efficiency. So its a nerf to this skill but less so.