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CCP is thinking about removing the IGB

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#141 - 2014-07-10 03:26:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Never been an issue for me. Hell, when I did play EvE full screen it made doing anything else on my computer much more irritating.

Meh. vOv
It's the opposite for me: ⌘-tabbing out has never been an issue or cause for irritation, but random bits of unrelated UI intruding on my game has.


When you say random bits of UI, what are you talking about?

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#142 - 2014-07-10 03:27:38 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
What I don't get, is why anyone would play at full screen. I get infuriated when mmos developed today don't offer borderless windowed. I mean, what century are these people living in? full screen was out of date once DOS mode games became playable in a window.

Because when I'm playing Eve I refere to be immersed with the whole screen and hate having other things on my screen such as the windows bar / whatever. Not to mention when I'm playing, my pc is used solely to play Eve, aka I'm not browsing reddit, imgur, talking on steam or whatever else people do when they play.

Edit: Long story short, if a game (any game) can be played in fullscreen, I will play said game in fullscreen...


EvE for me looks exactly the same as EvE does for you. Not considering graphics settings that is.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#143 - 2014-07-10 03:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Val'Dore wrote:
When you say random bits of UI, what are you talking about?

Oh all kinds of things. Notifications, start menus, title bars, docks, widgets, those win7/win8 trinket whatchamacallits. All the stuff that some silly person thought should be proximity or gesture triggered.

Really, the key benefit of fullscreen is that it steals all focus and does not let anything else trigger based on your input unless you very specifically set it up that way.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2014-07-10 03:35:47 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
What I don't get, is why anyone would play at full screen. I get infuriated when mmos developed today don't offer borderless windowed. I mean, what century are these people living in? full screen was out of date once DOS mode games became playable in a window.

Because when I'm playing Eve I refere to be immersed with the whole screen and hate having other things on my screen such as the windows bar / whatever. Not to mention when I'm playing, my pc is used solely to play Eve, aka I'm not browsing reddit, imgur, talking on steam or whatever else people do when they play.

Edit: Long story short, if a game (any game) can be played in fullscreen, I will play said game in fullscreen...


EvE for me looks exactly the same as EvE does for you. Not considering graphics settings that is.
The point is making sure things that aren't eve aren't there as much as possible.
Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2014-07-10 05:34:41 UTC
why not just have the game call a 'real' browser like firefox, chrome or ie.....instead of a custom one?
Illaren Zinfandel
3rd Fleet
#146 - 2014-07-10 05:39:10 UTC
Sorry ... i just have one monitor and therefore i am in need of the ingame browser ... so Please do not remove it! (and give us back the ingame music player!)
Johnathan Roark
Quantum Industries
#147 - 2014-07-10 05:49:13 UTC
Annette Nolen wrote:
Haven't seen it called out yet but the ability to click on things on a page in the IGB and have it open in-game (showinfo on corps/players, contract details, system info, etc.) is pretty critical too. Losing this would REALLY hurt some tools/use-cases.


This is the biggest issue I see and there is no other way to do this. SSO will not help with opening info ingame and neither will CREST. If your are using IGB headers to authenticate, your doing it wrong.

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Johnathan Roark
Quantum Industries
#148 - 2014-07-10 06:00:04 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:

The other big thing the IGB offers is the ability to open links in the client. I don't think we have looked to deep into it, but we should be able to have you press a button on web site and then via CREST it tells the server which tells your client to open some window. Maybe a tad shower but again not only is the format and technology better for developers but the number of uses and possibilities is far greater than the IGB.

I could go on listing so many other things but the bottom line is this: CREST is a far newer technology and more importantly one we can maintain far easier than the IGB. We would like to remove the IGB but we will not do so until CREST, or even maybe something else, gets us feature equal to the IGB.

Really the only question and problem with moving from the IGB to CREST is the fact that you can browse the IGB from the client versus alt-tabbing. From our, or mine anyways, understanding most of you guys have multiple monitors and that's not an issue. There are also other applications that will overlay your current web browser with the game. Things like Overwolf I think it's called. The benefits from us doing things through CREST and relying on you guys to use an existing browser are immense. We get to focus on making cool things instead of trying to maintain a customized browser in the client. Not sure you guys realize just how much work there is in maintaining something as complex as a browser and how much of a security



How much slower? Are we talking 30 seconds? Any longer then that I do not see as acceptable. There has to be a better way. When the old ingmae browser was removed and we got this one, we where told this one would be better and that it would be easier to update. I would look at other options other then just removal.

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Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#149 - 2014-07-10 06:35:07 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:

Anyways, nothing is happening anytime soon, when it does it will be because we, CCP and you the players and the CSM, have had a good long discussion about it, and only once something else is in place to replace it.


As it happened with the Jukebox? No, thanks then. Ugh
Sodabro
Doomheim
#150 - 2014-07-10 07:02:48 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
To be fair, WH mapping is the ONLY use for the IGB.

clearly you haven't been trolling enough in the ingame channels.
Sodabro
Doomheim
#151 - 2014-07-10 07:04:56 UTC
Regan Rotineque wrote:
why not just have the game call a 'real' browser like firefox, chrome or ie.....instead of a custom one?

internet exploder is not a 'real' browser
Mikael Menethil
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2014-07-10 09:30:48 UTC
I'm on dual monitors and I use the IGB daily.
I could write a wall of text telling you how practical it is from a usability POV, but I see you already decided to remove it.

I bet most people don't use the Calculator or the Notepad either, why not remove those too?

Where do I find more info about this CREST thing? I'm not sure I understand what it is, from what I could find.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CREST_Documentation?_ga=1.8170800.328131516.1397476800
JediMind Tricks
The New Eden Yacht Club
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#153 - 2014-07-10 09:41:30 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
It's basically saying "look at me I have a good rig".


No, its saying im not a scrub and can get another screen.... a second hand one off ebay costs less than a plex Roll


Can everyone that is still going ermahgerd ma brawzer read the devs comments before sperging out
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#154 - 2014-07-10 10:21:28 UTC
JediMind Tricks wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
It's basically saying "look at me I have a good rig".


No, its saying im not a scrub and can get another screen.... a second hand one off ebay costs less than a plex Roll


Can everyone that is still going ermahgerd ma brawzer read the devs comments before sperging out

Eh, for me personally, it's less about being a "scrub", and more about space. My monitor is 50", and given the size of every desk I have seen that would fit in a corner of my living room, there's no way for me to set up a second monitor without it either being in the way of the first, or requiring me to turn 180 degrees, which is probably not a good idea while in space. I still have a couple of my old monitors laying around, so yeah, I've already tried.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#155 - 2014-07-10 10:36:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
When you say random bits of UI, what are you talking about?

Oh all kinds of things. Notifications, start menus, title bars, docks, widgets, those win7/win8 trinket whatchamacallits. All the stuff that some silly person thought should be proximity or gesture triggered.

Really, the key benefit of fullscreen is that it steals all focus and does not let anything else trigger based on your input unless you very specifically set it up that way.


Well, guess I've never had that problem in any borderless windowed game I play. That's going all the way back to AO.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#156 - 2014-07-10 10:57:56 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
To be fair, WH mapping is the ONLY use for the IGB.


it's also greatly useful when I'm looking up requisitions and stuff that're in EVEHQ.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#157 - 2014-07-10 11:00:16 UTC
JediMind Tricks wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
It's basically saying "look at me I have a good rig".


No, its saying im not a scrub and can get another screen.... a second hand one off ebay costs less than a plex Roll


Can everyone that is still going ermahgerd ma brawzer read the devs comments before sperging out

Dev comments are like "ermahgerd we are too few to maintain certain level of features in game, better remove it before someone will starts yelling at us in office that its causing players rachitis of their disc drives."

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Victor Andall
#158 - 2014-07-10 11:51:38 UTC
EVE has an IGB?

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

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Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#159 - 2014-07-10 12:17:54 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
in related news: CREST is beginning to scare me.


Then just start buying Mirage parts. They're better anyway.


...*crickets*....

What, nobody here played Armored Core 3? You guys are missing out.

Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#160 - 2014-07-10 12:21:21 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
When you say random bits of UI, what are you talking about?

Are you trying to turn this into a nerf local thread?