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CCP is thinking about removing the IGB

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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#1 - 2014-07-08 17:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Tronic
http://show.gamingradio.net/2014/06/22/csm-9-townhall-1/
At around 59 minutes,

According to the latest CSM townhall. CCP is thinking about REMOVING the IGB.
Apparently "issues" about the work maintaining the IGB. Also an CSM member says there is little interest in keeping it.

Ignoring the fact that the IGB helps in times of mining or shooting the worlds most boring NPCs. (Don't lie, C5/C6 sleeper sites are on autopilot at this point). The IGB is the only way our wormhole mapping tools remain valid.

Let this be a call to arms. Don't let CCP remove the IGB. Otherwise you'll also be forced to run two monitors to use an browser while playing EVE. You'll be forced to manually map wormholes/

Don't let this be an end of an era because CCP is delusional about the quality of their own content.

Yes, users of Tripwire, vippy, evewholes, and whatever the heck else is out there, this affects all of you.


You must all be vocal about how much you love the IGB.


Edit: EVE's new "SSO" is NOT a replacement. It is simply an authenication service and has no capability in providing the data that the IGB provides. Nor will it make your life convenient browsing the interwebs while autopiloting sleeper sites.
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#2 - 2014-07-08 18:08:24 UTC
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#3 - 2014-07-08 18:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Sagitta
Remove IGB and replace with updated IGB pls pls pls

Gib html 5 and websockets plox!

Edit: Actually CREST sounds better then updating IGB so remove IGB and make CREST gud gogogo

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Alundil
Rolled Out
#4 - 2014-07-08 18:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alundil
This would be very bad indeed. PvE content is pretty bad/boring.

A quick way of accessing other information while still within the Eve UI and maintaining some modicum of situational awareness has become a standard facet (I'd argue almost required) of playing Eve.

This, of course, says nothing about the very large number of 3rd Party tools developed by players for players to augment the terrible lack of information presented by various aspects of the EVE Client. Most of these leverage the IGB browser in order to facilitate context aware features (think CCOW in programming for patient context between applications). Mapping tools are just one of many. There are fleet management tools. Mining yield management tools to help track activities and contributions. A plethora of useful things that ease some of the nightmare that is EVE's UI and/or dearth of useful information streams.

CCP removing the IGB is, imo, a pretty big insult to the many 3rd Party Devs that have spent their own time, hard work and money on developing tools that make EVE, at a competitive level, playable.

That said - this has been brought up before. There's been Radio Silence as far as I can tell from CCP (shocker I know) related to this question. Either way, its (IGB) removal would be bad for a large number of EVE players that are heavy PvPers (WH/00/LS).

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Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#5 - 2014-07-08 18:41:18 UTC
Removing the IGB is a sure fire way to remove all the revenue you make from wormholes subbing your game CCP. Just saying., would cause more of a backlash then whatever that idijit on the CSM thinks it would.

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Sparrow Creature
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-07-08 19:26:28 UTC
With the SSO they're proposing you could easily do away with the IGB and have 3rd party sites use SSO for authentication. The only people this would really affect are those that play in true full screen mode. But, I don't really care about those folks. I for one would be ecstatic if they did away with that antiquated terrible browser.
Sparrow Creature
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-07-08 19:28:49 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Removing the IGB is a sure fire way to remove all the revenue you make from wormholes subbing your game CCP. Just saying., would cause more of a backlash then whatever that idijit on the CSM thinks it would.


Right, because everyone living in WHs would just up and cancel their subscriptions. No one at all would even try to adapt. I completely agree with your assessment of what would come to pass.
KeeganWaffle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-07-08 19:36:09 UTC
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Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#9 - 2014-07-08 19:42:29 UTC
I ♥ IGB


I'll keep my "antiquated terrible browser." Thanks.

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#10 - 2014-07-08 20:10:48 UTC
they could just update it. I mean an update every decade or so wouldn't hurt it to much, they do it now then they can forget about it till 2025 or 2030.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#11 - 2014-07-08 20:19:33 UTC
It depends. If they can get SSO working, great, but alot (and I mean ALOT) of people play in fullscreen.

I'd honestly would kinda hate having to have an ipad next to me to monitor what I'm doing.. I would also like it too.

There are alot of people that use it, and removing it completely would hurt more people than it helped.

Update it, do SSO also, never worry about updating browser again.

Yaay!!!!
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#12 - 2014-07-08 20:58:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Hatshepsut IV
Sparrow Creature wrote:
Right, because everyone living in WHs would just up and cancel their subscriptions. No one at all would even try to adapt. I completely agree with your assessment of what would come to pass.


I'm pretty sure you don't actually scan that much if you think removing our mapping tools is just a matter of 'adapting'. If someone takes away your eyesight you don't continue to drive by 'adapting'.

Sparrow Creature wrote:
But, I don't really care about those folks.


Who are you again?

All garbage aside, I will not accept the possibility of them letting us use SSO to migrate our mapping tools over as a reason not to raise hell until they give us 100 percent concrete proof that they will do so.

Can/might/should is not will. There is lots of stuff they could do but won't our haven't.

Mapping tools are bread and butter to the entire way of life of wormhole corps who roll and scan out 10-20 chains a day. Doubly so if you have multiple corps in an alliance. They function to give a unified map to make your bookmarks match up.

It costs them nothing to leave the IGB in exactly as is now, it hurts noone by doing something.

It hurts an entire player base removing it for no other reason then certain people don't use/like it as much as some of us.

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SwagYolo420
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2014-07-08 21:02:17 UTC
Posting to provide my support for the IGB. It is the best way for non-intrusive mapping to work.

Also I see a few people posting in this thread about SSO for authentication - that is not what wormhole mapping, or this thread, is about. A wormhole mapper can real-time track your location, the ship you are in, and probably a few other things. It also allows you to copy-paste signatures, or check your chain, without having to alt-tab.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-07-08 21:27:39 UTC
To be fair, WH mapping is the ONLY use for the IGB.

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Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#15 - 2014-07-08 21:31:22 UTC
SwagYolo420 wrote:
Also I see a few people posting in this thread about SSO for authentication - that is not what wormhole mapping, or this thread, is about. A wormhole mapper can real-time track your location, the ship you are in, and probably a few other things. It also allows you to copy-paste signatures, or check your chain, without having to alt-tab.


Quoting you for maximum truth and/or justice.

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Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-07-08 21:55:18 UTC
Will never happen.
Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-07-08 22:03:54 UTC
The IGB is not only important for our mappers. Many people don't have the luxury of multiple screens and having a browser ingame adds real value to the game. Being able to call up or refernce information withouth having to alt-tab out of the game is essential. Especially now that almost all websites/services are responsive (meaning they adapt to the window size).

For exemple, next to my wh mapper, I use dotlan on the IGB daily. It will be a lot less usefull if I constantly have to alt-tab.

Even if the IGB is not up-to-date with all current standard, it still needs to stay!!
Alundil
Rolled Out
#18 - 2014-07-08 22:25:10 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
To be fair, WH mapping is the ONLY use for the IGB.

That isn't true.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-07-08 22:26:02 UTC
Should cross post this as this affects all players, not just wormholers. the in game browser is one of the nicest features in eve. I play in fixed windowed, and routinely alt-tab to out of game browsers, but being able to click links in chat is excellent.

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Matt Ellis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-07-08 22:31:19 UTC
The very idea of removing it means that the ones who suggested it have NO idea how its used. Wormhole mapping tools are one big use in wormholes, but to be honest, it doesn't even need to be that complicated to warrant needing it. I don't have the luxury of a dual monitor setup. Space is a commodity. I don't game on the best equipment, and that equipment is starting to get slower. It takes a few seconds for my machine to cycle out of eve, and then back in again. In hostile space, thats too much. I can miss getting Intel for my fleet, or miss something on dscan. Having it in game means I can still play the game while browsing. It gets uses more than my main browsers while my eve clients are open!

Lets be shot of this idea right now!
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