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CCP is thinking about removing the IGB

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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#21 - 2014-07-08 22:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Tronic
Sparrow Creature wrote:
With the SSO they're proposing you could easily do away with the IGB and have 3rd party sites use SSO for authentication. The only people this would really affect are those that play in true full screen mode. But, I don't really care about those folks. I for one would be ecstatic if they did away with that antiquated terrible browser.


You are a idiot. SSO only provides authenication.

Guess what? All the tools that depend need IGB, DONT HAVE AUTHENICATION ISSUES NOR DEPEND on the IGB's trusted headers for auth.

The IGB provides real time data of the current user's location, ship, etc. This is something that SSO cannot provide unless CCP implements a radically different technology for providing this data which they won't....given how much trouble they have running simple cached API servers.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#22 - 2014-07-08 22:39:23 UTC
Jack Tronic wrote:
Sparrow Creature wrote:
With the SSO they're proposing you could easily do away with the IGB and have 3rd party sites use SSO for authentication. The only people this would really affect are those that play in true full screen mode. But, I don't really care about those folks. I for one would be ecstatic if they did away with that antiquated terrible browser.


You are a idiot. SSO only provides authenication.

Guess what? All the tools that depend need IGB, DONT HAVE AUTHENICATION ISSUES NOR DEPEND on the IGB's trusted headers for auth.



This is is about ease of use and the additional data which SSO cannot provide.


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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
Riddle us this
#23 - 2014-07-08 22:49:37 UTC
Removing IGB would be very bad. Its a vital part of the daily life of everyone in wspace
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#24 - 2014-07-08 23:07:10 UTC
I'm very intrigued to know which CSM's agree with this removal...

Onto the topic at hand. Personally, I play Eve on a desktop where room is limited and I cannot have a second monitor to view a browser on. I also play in full windowed mode so Alt-Tab is a pain in the arse.

I shouldn't have to play a game in windowed mode just so I can live in WH space and use the mappers via alt - tabbing or buying a second screen that I dont have the room or money for. The in-game browser is a vital tool for me and possibly everyone who ever leaves their own hole and maps their chain.

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scotayne hawkins
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-07-08 23:07:50 UTC
in game browser plays a vital part in w-space lifestyle for most of our mapping tools
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming
The Bastion
#26 - 2014-07-08 23:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
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#27 - 2014-07-08 23:36:47 UTC
Removing the IGB would be suicidal behavior, CCP don't go in for that do they?

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Alundil
Rolled Out
#28 - 2014-07-08 23:42:35 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
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Take the pants off of your head. GSF/CFC and other entities utilize igb functionality for your entire paplink system lottery scheme.

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Zanthrus Stetille
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
#29 - 2014-07-08 23:49:25 UTC
Unless there is a compelling reason why the IGB makes the game worse than it would be without it, I see no reason to remove it. I use a very large screen, so I can easily have EVE open and another browser in windowed mode. However, it is easier most of the time to just use the IGB unless I need to go to a website that doesn't work so well with it.

Keep the IGB, update it, just don't remove it.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#30 - 2014-07-08 23:57:08 UTC
I don't see any reason to remove it. Seems like more effort to remove it than to just leave it be.

Having said that, your mapping tools are a crutch and you are bad for relying on them. Remember when siggy went down and more than half the corps just stopped working because you scrubs couldn't navigate based on bookmarks? Yeah, I remember that.
Bigg Easy
EzDuzIt
#31 - 2014-07-08 23:57:29 UTC
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Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#32 - 2014-07-09 00:28:36 UTC
Paikis wrote:
I don't see any reason to remove it. Seems like more effort to remove it than to just leave it be.

Having said that, your mapping tools are a crutch and you are bad for relying on them. Remember when siggy went down and more than half the corps just stopped working because you scrubs couldn't navigate based on bookmarks? Yeah, I remember that.


Not the only problem.

The hell are we supposed to do when CCP provides us with zero content as entertainment but we have to sit there as we jump endless amounts of gates?
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#33 - 2014-07-09 00:55:53 UTC
CCP should not remove the IGB, they should be devoting more effort to it, including more integration with the client. I should be able to drag items into the IGB.

If they want to remove it, I could imagine some of the functionality being replicated in CREST, for example things like location/ship type tracking. Until that is available, CCP should not even consider removing it.

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Annette Nolen
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-07-09 00:59:03 UTC
Haven't seen it called out yet but the ability to click on things on a page in the IGB and have it open in-game (showinfo on corps/players, contract details, system info, etc.) is pretty critical too. Losing this would REALLY hurt some tools/use-cases.
Valtrinor
S0utherN Comfort
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#35 - 2014-07-09 01:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Valtrinor
Jack Miton wrote:
To be fair, WH mapping is the ONLY use for the IGB.


Not even close. I've spent all except two to three months of my time in EVE in k-space and have never used a mapping tool, yet I use the IGB on an hourly basis at minimum most days. If I'm out on a fleet for example, I can't really afford to have the RAM use of a full-fledged browser running sometimes. In fact, multiple channels I sit in have shorthanded web links, and I even set up my own wiki to have more stuff quickly available for the IGB. See for example: Linkage

Quite frankly from a user POV I don't even know what could possibly be the effort involved in "maintaining" Chromium 3 code which to my knowledge has had no changes since being added to replace the hilariously old original IGB and was supposed to be modular and easy to update when introduced. I don't mean this to insult any devs, but it makes no sense.

EDIT: RE that last bit, I'm betting any maintenance is to keep the special client headers working, which honestly isn't even something I care too deeply about. I just like having a functional minimal/lightweight browser ingame for ease of use. That said, DOTLAN's Radar, Siggy, and other stuff that make use of the headers are definitely cool sites & site features I and many others would miss if the header side of things was discontinued.

Also, wasn't ease of updates the entire point of Awesomium being used?

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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#36 - 2014-07-09 01:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Jack Tronic wrote:
Apparently "issues" about the work maintaining the IGB


Implying CCP has actually done any work to maintain the IGB in the last several years in the first place. I always look for stuff relating to the IGB in patchnotes, and I've been disappointed for years.

Hell, isn't it still running on a ****** version of Chromium that's 3-4 years old?

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Serith Ellecon
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2014-07-09 01:41:07 UTC
If you can make a plugin for ALL the major desktop browsers to let our mappers set our autopilots and read locations from the game, maybe you can remove the IGB. Until that point - NO WAY IN HELL do you even THINK about dumping the IGB.

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Kesper North
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2014-07-09 01:42:11 UTC
Don't remove the IGB - or if you do, make sure you're not removing useful functionality with it. The "radar" function of Dotlan alone justifies its existence.
Aebe Amraen
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#39 - 2014-07-09 01:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Aebe Amraen
Checking in as another IGB user. This site is my IGB home page: http://www.ohi.se/eve/linkfit/

The database it uses seems to be slightly out-of-date, but it's still amazingly useful. So much easier than importing fit to a fitting tool, exporting to an EVE saved fit file, and then importing to EVE saved fittings.

Edit: I just noticed this is in the Wormholes forum. To be clear, I came here from twitter and have nothing to do with wspace these days (though I did live there for a few months, once upon a time). The IGB is not only useful for wormholers!
ArchAngael
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-07-09 01:58:53 UTC
The IGB is pretty iconic to Eve and lots of culture surrounds it too. What other MMOG has one?

If everytime some idiot posted a reaction gif and I wanted to be an idiot and look at it I had to alt-tab out of Eve, that would be super annoying. Not to mention all the mapping tools, dotlan (imagine having to actually use the in-game starmap for navigation). It would be horrific. Even with memory-hogging alt-tabbing, you still couldn't replace the trusted site functionality spread all over the place.

Keep the IGB.

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