EVE General Discussion

If you can gain an advantage by doing something people will do it. If you can have the person who just got blown up check his own loss mail to see who the person who killed him was getting bonuses from nobody who is currently involved in fighting has to stop what they are doing.

Although if you're really lazy, aren't particularly interested in winning and have no ability to multitask I can see why looking at a single line of text on killmail on your second monitor might be too much work for you to handle.

Actually both of you have valid points. Possible solution - Strategic information could show up at a set time after the loss.

If its a huge fleet fight then maybe they would do this. But so what? Both sides will be able to determine this. Maybe people won't give bonuses and have the whole fleet join in on killing a stray rifter so they don't give this intel away. If the ship is not giving bonuses for the kill it won't show up.

Moreover if your link ships are on grid then they may show up firing guns isntead of giving links. If your booster ships are off grid they will show up as giving boosts but the other side will still need to track them down. If they have half a brain they will be aligned with an ab ready to warp and practically uncatchable. (which is another problem)

None of this seems to be problematic in the least.

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It would require some fairly non-trivial re-engineering work that we will need to do anyway at some point in the non-distant future for other reasons.

Anyone who uses a module which in some form assists in the battle should appear on the killmail.

Not just the ones shooting, but also the ones repping AND the ones hiding somewhere running ganlinks to boost from far away.


Also agression timer should transfer to neutral logistics because the activly participate in assisting a hostile act.
If I sit next to someone shooting and all I do is pass him ammo then I am not an innocent participant, same when I someone is shooting someone else and I remote rep one of them I am no longer uninvolved in an act of agression and as such should suffer the agression timer for docking and jumping aswel.

And yes, I fly logistics. Amongst others I love logistics and scouting. And I accept the risks it should bring with it. I refrain from using a logistics ship as a neutral repair guy simply because it's a broken game mechanic which CCP just can't seem to fix, but as the EULA says, knowingly abusing a bug or oversight is considered exploiting and as such I refrain from using that exploit.

Even if CCP states it isn't an exploit the fact remains that activly assisting in a battle should have shared agression timer and since it doesn't have it it is an exploit in my point of vieuw.
One very happily used exploit and because it's so widely used and ingame for a long time CCP can't act on it anymore as an exploit. So now they are gradually changing the mechanics.

And if you bring a few pvp fit logi's there is not much need to use neut logi's because your opponents have to decide what first. The logi's spidertanking eachother and in the meanwhile get shot by their Dps group or on to the Dps group which get's a load of reps.

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But it's funny :P

This TBH, THIS !

Flying logistics is boring, tedious and stressful in large engagements, on top of that you're considered by the actual KM mechanics has not being there, this is completely silly !!

Logistics pilots also need something to fight for and give them a good reason to be there other than "I'm a good guy who wants my team to win" BS.
Give points accordingly to repair amount on the ships in that fracking KM/LM

I can think of two ways to go about doing this.

1) If someone dies that has been remote repaired the pilot repairing appears on KM with damage repaired shown as a negative number. Only damage repaired shows up, not the virtual HP sent by each cycle of the remote rep module if the target ship is undamaged. Only problem with this method is that someone in the fleet has to die for the logi pilot to appear on the KM. Easy solution but not perfect.




2) When someone kills another ship but his ship was repaired then the logistics pilot appears as a benefactor to that pilot. While it shows no numbers it does show participation in the battle report by those who do no damage but buff other ships. This can actually be applied to all kinds of friendly e-war.



Or a combination of both.

It's been a while since I last PvP'ed, but I thought logis had always showed up in killmails... When did this change?

And why would CCP have removed the killmails for logistics, that makes no sense at all.