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Epithal Cargo

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Inquisitor Tyr
VEN0M0US.
Insidious.
#1 - 2014-06-25 23:09:42 UTC
The Epithal is an industrial ship specialized in hauling planetary commodities. It has a standard cargo hold of ~550m3.

I propose this be changed to 1000m3 so that a planetary command center can fit in without the need to load it full of cargo expanders. With expanders then a pilot could fit up to two centres. The cargo volume is still so low that it should not affect any other industrial ships niche advantages.

Thank you.

o/
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#2 - 2014-06-25 23:19:49 UTC
Good idea, I don't think it can do too much harm., but someone else may know more about the law of unintended consequences than me.

+1 from me.

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Amber Lana
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-06-26 03:37:52 UTC
Or, we could make it so that command centers can go into the special hold. Then there would be no need to change the ship.

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Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-06-26 18:36:24 UTC
or role bonus "99.5% reduction in cargo space used when hauling command centers" or some such

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#5 - 2014-06-26 18:43:12 UTC
Amber Lana wrote:
Or, we could make it so that command centers can go into the special hold. Then there would be no need to change the ship.


Seeing as command centres are part of their own special little category, i imagine this will be very easy to do.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-06-26 19:09:59 UTC
Should be allowed in the specialized holf otherwise you are adding ~9500 m3 to the overall hold space
Inquisitor Tyr
VEN0M0US.
Insidious.
#7 - 2014-07-06 08:16:43 UTC
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Vayn Baxtor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-07-06 08:23:26 UTC
Feel mixed on deciding, but the suggestion is plausible. I wish we had more uses for the command centers, but that's for another thread.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#9 - 2014-07-07 16:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Paikis
Epithal, PI wrote:

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Cargohold: 1,140m3

Problem solved. Eve is about choices and the consequences of those choices. If you chose to carry command centres in a hauler that is specialised for carrying other things, then you have the consequence of having to fit 3 expanded cargohold mods (or 2 T2 rigs and 1 expanded cargohold).
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-07-07 17:28:11 UTC
Amber Lana wrote:
Or, we could make it so that command centers can go into the special hold. Then there would be no need to change the ship.


Personally, I like this idea myself.

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Alundil
Rolled Out
#11 - 2014-07-07 18:38:15 UTC
Or, maybe, make Warp Core Stabilizers heavily penalize the capacity of the specialized cargo holds in addition to the scan resolution penalties.

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Daoden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-07 19:17:00 UTC
Primae

Has a planetary command center hold and PI hold. Shouldn't be to hard to adapt this to the Epithal.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#13 - 2014-07-07 20:01:26 UTC
Reduce the command centers volume from 1000 to 200m3. Is probably the easiest thing to fix. Nothing else is effected, no stat change on the ship needs to happen.

Just reduce the volume of the center.

Yaay!!!!

Daoden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-07-07 20:16:31 UTC
That would make it easier for other non hauler ships then.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#15 - 2014-07-07 20:21:38 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Or, maybe, make Warp Core Stabilizers heavily penalize the capacity of the specialized cargo holds in addition to the scan resolution penalties.

There's always the ever popular (among the more 'discerning' capsuleers) of the above idea. I think that it's got a lot of potential to boost the Epithal producers universe-wide. THAT, my friends, is an objective worth working towards.

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#16 - 2014-07-07 20:30:56 UTC
Daoden wrote:
That would make it easier for other non hauler ships then.


Which would not matter much, as why use another ship just to transport or drop a command center.

If you are anywhere in the system (pos, outside a station, cloaked), you can drop a command center on a planet. There is no need for you to go to the planet to drop it.

If you want to launch a battleship to drop command centers be my guest. Changing the command center volume will just cause people to not have both a epithal and another industrial present. It is a very narrow role, he command center size is pretty irrelivent. 200 m3 is more than enough. You can fit 2 centers, and with an expander, 3.

Simple fix.

Yaay!!!!

Paranoid Loyd
#17 - 2014-07-07 20:37:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Why does there need to be change? Use another of the plethora of haulers available to you. Who sets up a planet and then immediately needs to haul 60K of materials? Roll

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#18 - 2014-07-07 22:33:19 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Or, maybe, make Warp Core Stabilizers heavily penalize the capacity of the specialized cargo holds in addition to the scan resolution penalties.



then make cargo expanders increase it also but then we are back to the whole reason that they where changed in the first place.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#19 - 2014-07-08 03:46:50 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
Alundil wrote:
Or, maybe, make Warp Core Stabilizers heavily penalize the capacity of the specialized cargo holds in addition to the scan resolution penalties.



then make cargo expanders increase it also but then we are back to the whole reason that they where changed in the first place.

Cargo expanders have a penalty that affects a main stat useful on the ships using them. A lock time penalty on an epithal (and almost EVERY other t1 industrial) does not affect them in the slightest. Which is why you see nothing but stabbed epithals running about. It doesn't force any choices on the part of the epithal pilot at all.

Four stabs and still 60k m3 pi space. Perfect.

There needs to be some hard choice there; risk vs reward.
Give stabs either a specialized cargo hold penalty or, maybe, an agility penalty. Come to think of it the agility penalty might be better applied considering some of the other broken uses stabs get put to (button farmers for example).

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Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
#20 - 2014-07-08 08:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Magnus Orly
Definately agree with the OP here.

It feels like a bug almost that the Epithal has so little cargo-space. Maybe they didn't think about that at least a few Command Centers should be easily carried by an Epithal.

It feels silly to buy a normal indy just to move the Command Centers Ugh

....or make the Command Centers take less volume....

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