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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1601 - 2014-06-14 19:44:38 UTC
Heh, seems CIG have more than enough money for everything they wanted to add to the game, that in the latest chairman letter, he runs a poll on if the stretch goals should continue or not?.....They've added everything and the kitchen sink, but it seems end users want more stretch goals as they're leading by a big gap( 54% yes, versus low 20's for no or don't care).


Money train keeps going and going I guess.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#1602 - 2014-06-15 07:58:10 UTC
Money keeps going as long as people are kept interested, it's the nature of all pyramid scams but Roberts should get the ship sailing instead of adding more and more bells and whistles at the dry dock.

WoD failed for the exact same reason, adding more and more stuff until nothing was actually getting done aside from a few trailers and a tech demo.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1603 - 2014-06-15 17:15:34 UTC
Well we do have 2 more versions of arena commander in the next couple of months, which involve the multi crew ships in combat and the last one will involve the ship docking and unloading troops into a larger ship, which in this case will be a 240 meter idris frigate to take control of it.
Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1604 - 2014-06-15 17:37:07 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
Well we do have 2 more versions of arena commander in the next couple of months, which involve the multi crew ships in combat and the last one will involve the ship docking and unloading troops into a larger ship, which in this case will be a 240 meter idris frigate to take control of it.


Dafuk? Shocked

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1605 - 2014-06-15 23:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Well we do have 2 more versions of arena commander in the next couple of months, which involve the multi crew ships in combat and the last one will involve the ship docking and unloading troops into a larger ship, which in this case will be a 240 meter idris frigate to take control of it.


Dafuk? Shocked



Yup....Why do you think some ships are being designed with docking collars for marine deployment, like the one that won the contest?


That isn't for show but actual boarding ops once the target ships weapons and shields are put offline....It's what we saw in the EVE prophecy video with the Amarr troop transports landing and opening up passages top drop troops in to take control of the gate.


Good luck seeing that in EVE anytime soon, but it is happening in star citizen....Big smile
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#1606 - 2014-06-16 18:36:29 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Well we do have 2 more versions of arena commander in the next couple of months, which involve the multi crew ships in combat and the last one will involve the ship docking and unloading troops into a larger ship, which in this case will be a 240 meter idris frigate to take control of it.


Dafuk? Shocked



Yup....Why do you think some ships are being designed with docking collars for marine deployment, like the one that won the contest?


That isn't for show but actual boarding ops once the target ships weapons and shields are put offline....It's what we saw in the EVE prophecy video with the Amarr troop transports landing and opening up passages top drop troops in to take control of the gate.


Good luck seeing that in EVE anytime soon, but it is supposedly happening in star citizen....Big smile


FIFY

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1607 - 2014-06-16 18:59:54 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Well we do have 2 more versions of arena commander in the next couple of months, which involve the multi crew ships in combat and the last one will involve the ship docking and unloading troops into a larger ship, which in this case will be a 240 meter idris frigate to take control of it.


Dafuk? Shocked



Yup....Why do you think some ships are being designed with docking collars for marine deployment, like the one that won the contest?


That isn't for show but actual boarding ops once the target ships weapons and shields are put offline....It's what we saw in the EVE prophecy video with the Amarr troop transports landing and opening up passages top drop troops in to take control of the gate.


Good luck seeing that in EVE anytime soon, but it is supposedly happening in star citizen....Big smile


FIFY



Was actually mentioned by Roberts several times over the past 18 months....
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#1608 - 2014-06-16 19:55:57 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
digitalwanderer wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Well we do have 2 more versions of arena commander in the next couple of months, which involve the multi crew ships in combat and the last one will involve the ship docking and unloading troops into a larger ship, which in this case will be a 240 meter idris frigate to take control of it.


Dafuk? Shocked



Yup....Why do you think some ships are being designed with docking collars for marine deployment, like the one that won the contest?


That isn't for show but actual boarding ops once the target ships weapons and shields are put offline....It's what we saw in the EVE prophecy video with the Amarr troop transports landing and opening up passages top drop troops in to take control of the gate.


Good luck seeing that in EVE anytime soon, but it is supposedly happening in star citizen....Big smile


FIFY



Was actually mentioned by Roberts several times over the past 18 months....


"Words are wind" as you like to point out all the stuff CCP has said was coming and failed to act on, the same goes for everything. Just because it is 'said' that x will happen doesn't mean it will. It very well could. But until you have it in your hand and are actually using it, a feature that is on a paper is just wind, or good enough to wipe your ass with. Until its out, you really dunno if what he says is even possible. I'm not saying it won't come out, its just that you tend to talk about stuff like its a sure bet, when as we saw with the DFM's three delays, nothing is a sure bet.

Eve is supposedly adding new star systems and player made stargates, and allegedidly in the next expantion is the industry revamp. Until its released it means noda

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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1609 - 2014-06-16 19:59:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Matilda Cecilia Fock
DaReaper wrote:
"Words are wind"


...and there's no EVE in EVE trailers. Lol

Q: Should we be worried? A: Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#1610 - 2014-06-16 20:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
"Words are wind"


...and there's no EVE in EVE trailers. Lol


not true, there is no eve in current trailers, some of the older ones showed game play... at the end.. after the cinema stuff lol

Anyway, my point is still valid, CR can say something is coming a billion times until he is blue in the face. But until you can actually play and do what he says you can, then its not official.

Based on his track record, he has a tendency to over think and over work his games, the game eventually turns out good, but he still over hypes what it will do. Everything you see in the Arena Commander is not even set in stone yet, as its alpha, and could change dramatically from now till the final version of SC comes out. Perspective is always good. Be excited, be hyped, but be ready for a few things to maybe not pan out as you think they will

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1611 - 2014-06-16 22:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
DaReaper wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
"Words are wind"


...and there's no EVE in EVE trailers. Lol


not true, there is no eve in current trailers, some of the older ones showed game play... at the end.. after the cinema stuff lol

Anyway, my point is still valid, CR can say something is coming a billion times until he is blue in the face. But until you can actually play and do what he says you can, then its not official.

Based on his track record, he has a tendency to over think and over work his games, the game eventually turns out good, but he still over hypes what it will do. Everything you see in the Arena Commander is not even set in stone yet, as its alpha, and could change dramatically from now till the final version of SC comes out. Perspective is always good. Be excited, be hyped, but be ready for a few things to maybe not pan out as you think they will



Considering just a few weeks ago you said the game would be a massive rip-off on an epic scale on the part of Roberts at the expense of backers, i'd point out that your views have lost a lot of credibility lately and will continue to lose credibility as new content is released that backs up what he intended the game to have all along.


But that's just me as a backer for nearly 2 years now......Btw, 3000 people are now playing it online in pvp and more slots are getting opened over the next few weeks, until everyone can log on....Seems you were worried about the online issue.


Always the pessimist....P
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#1612 - 2014-06-17 15:10:58 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
"Words are wind"


...and there's no EVE in EVE trailers. Lol


not true, there is no eve in current trailers, some of the older ones showed game play... at the end.. after the cinema stuff lol

Anyway, my point is still valid, CR can say something is coming a billion times until he is blue in the face. But until you can actually play and do what he says you can, then its not official.

Based on his track record, he has a tendency to over think and over work his games, the game eventually turns out good, but he still over hypes what it will do. Everything you see in the Arena Commander is not even set in stone yet, as its alpha, and could change dramatically from now till the final version of SC comes out. Perspective is always good. Be excited, be hyped, but be ready for a few things to maybe not pan out as you think they will



Considering just a few weeks ago you said the game would be a massive rip-off on an epic scale on the part of Roberts at the expense of backers, i'd point out that your views have lost a lot of credibility lately and will continue to lose credibility as new content is released that backs up what he intended the game to have all along.


But that's just me as a backer for nearly 2 years now......Btw, 3000 people are now playing it online in pvp and more slots are getting opened over the next few weeks, until everyone can log on....Seems you were worried about the online issue.


Always the pessimist....P



Has the game been released in full? no. you got a single component, the jury is still out on if it will be a rip off, failure, or not.

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1613 - 2014-06-17 18:44:32 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Matilda Cecilia Fock wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
"Words are wind"


...and there's no EVE in EVE trailers. Lol


not true, there is no eve in current trailers, some of the older ones showed game play... at the end.. after the cinema stuff lol

Anyway, my point is still valid, CR can say something is coming a billion times until he is blue in the face. But until you can actually play and do what he says you can, then its not official.

Based on his track record, he has a tendency to over think and over work his games, the game eventually turns out good, but he still over hypes what it will do. Everything you see in the Arena Commander is not even set in stone yet, as its alpha, and could change dramatically from now till the final version of SC comes out. Perspective is always good. Be excited, be hyped, but be ready for a few things to maybe not pan out as you think they will



Considering just a few weeks ago you said the game would be a massive rip-off on an epic scale on the part of Roberts at the expense of backers, i'd point out that your views have lost a lot of credibility lately and will continue to lose credibility as new content is released that backs up what he intended the game to have all along.


But that's just me as a backer for nearly 2 years now......Btw, 3000 people are now playing it online in pvp and more slots are getting opened over the next few weeks, until everyone can log on....Seems you were worried about the online issue.


Always the pessimist....P



Has the game been released in full? no. you got a single component, the jury is still out on if it will be a rip off, failure, or not.



2000 more invites were open for online play yesterday......so that's 5000 playing online in total and it'll keep on going up until it eventually reaches the 250 000 mark for the alpha testing.

Personally, I think the game can be fully released and you'll still ***** and moan about it....Lol
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#1614 - 2014-06-17 19:38:36 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:



2000 more invites were open for online play yesterday......so that's 5000 playing online in total and it'll keep on going up until it eventually reaches the 250 000 mark for the alpha testing.

Personally, I think the game can be fully released and you'll still ***** and moan about it....Lol


You don't seem to get it, and I guess that's ok. Is arena commander ALL that star citizen is? no?

it really doesn't matter if 5b people are playing arena commander. As that is NOT the entire game. As I said a few times, you do not know how arena commander, the hanger module, squadron 42, and all the components will work together properly on release.

Each piece alone, could be awesome, then you combine it all and realize that the transition between sucks, or they can't talk to eachother, or CR could not put everything he wanted into it that he wanted, there are a million things that can go wrong. My judgment is more that you are blinded and drinking the kool aid. But hey its your kool aid to drink. Your money to spend, and your time to spend. So whatever floats your boat.

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1615 - 2014-06-17 20:18:34 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:



2000 more invites were open for online play yesterday......so that's 5000 playing online in total and it'll keep on going up until it eventually reaches the 250 000 mark for the alpha testing.

Personally, I think the game can be fully released and you'll still ***** and moan about it....Lol


You don't seem to get it, and I guess that's ok. Is arena commander ALL that star citizen is? no?

it really doesn't matter if 5b people are playing arena commander. As that is NOT the entire game. As I said a few times, you do not know how arena commander, the hanger module, squadron 42, and all the components will work together properly on release.

Each piece alone, could be awesome, then you combine it all and realize that the transition between sucks, or they can't talk to eachother, or CR could not put everything he wanted into it that he wanted, there are a million things that can go wrong. My judgment is more that you are blinded and drinking the kool aid. But hey its your kool aid to drink. Your money to spend, and your time to spend. So whatever floats your boat.



And on the other hand, everything could work fine, the game turns out to be truly next generation and sets the bar pretty high to match or beat it by other developers, never mind it was player funded, but you'll still be the same old grouch and complaining about it and CR's reputation......The broken violin never stops.

Blink
Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1616 - 2014-06-17 20:41:04 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:

CR's reputation......


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Lol

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#1617 - 2014-06-17 20:57:17 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:


And on the other hand, everything could work fine, the game turns out to be truly next generation and sets the bar pretty high to match or beat it by other developers, never mind it was player funded, but you'll still be the same old grouch and complaining about it and CR's reputation......The broken violin never stops.

Blink


Frankly I've been involved in all too many MMO and other game genre launches that promised the same as star citizens and they all fell flat on their faces.
So yeah more like hoping for the best, fearing for the worst and believing in nothing until the game is done.

Who knows if SC actually delivers even half of what has been promised I might even believe in game developers again.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#1618 - 2014-06-17 20:58:11 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:



2000 more invites were open for online play yesterday......so that's 5000 playing online in total and it'll keep on going up until it eventually reaches the 250 000 mark for the alpha testing.

Personally, I think the game can be fully released and you'll still ***** and moan about it....Lol


You don't seem to get it, and I guess that's ok. Is arena commander ALL that star citizen is? no?

it really doesn't matter if 5b people are playing arena commander. As that is NOT the entire game. As I said a few times, you do not know how arena commander, the hanger module, squadron 42, and all the components will work together properly on release.

Each piece alone, could be awesome, then you combine it all and realize that the transition between sucks, or they can't talk to eachother, or CR could not put everything he wanted into it that he wanted, there are a million things that can go wrong. My judgment is more that you are blinded and drinking the kool aid. But hey its your kool aid to drink. Your money to spend, and your time to spend. So whatever floats your boat.



And on the other hand, everything could work fine, the game turns out to be truly next generation and sets the bar pretty high to match or beat it by other developers, never mind it was player funded, but you'll still be the same old grouch and complaining about it and CR's reputation......The broken violin never stops.

Blink



His rep is to make an over bloated, over priced game that he can not complete on time, had to sell so that a good chunk of his ideas were ripped out of it. or you mean that awesome blockbuster movie he wrote and directed?

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#1619 - 2014-06-17 21:04:04 UTC
Baneken wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:


And on the other hand, everything could work fine, the game turns out to be truly next generation and sets the bar pretty high to match or beat it by other developers, never mind it was player funded, but you'll still be the same old grouch and complaining about it and CR's reputation......The broken violin never stops.

Blink


Frankly I've been involved in all too many MMO and other game genre launches that promised the same as star citizens and they all fell flat on their faces.
So yeah more like hoping for the best, fearing for the worst and believing in nothing until the game is done.

Who knows if SC actually delivers even half of what has been promised I might even believe in game developers again.



Exactly, I can list off the top of my head at least five mmo's that were suppose to be legendary, going to revoltionize the business, will be the best thing since sliced bread, will kill or draw people from eve, were hyped like mad, then they came out and BOMBED.

Does SC sound like a cool concept, yes. Is it a game I personally am interested in playing? No, not really, not a fan of instancing and multi servers tyvm. Could it be ground breaking, epicly awesome, make CR a lot of money? sure. Could it be a complete disaster? sure. Is it the second coming of god incarnate, the game that will be the god game? no. Could Crowd funding games revolutionize business? no not really. And the only reason I say that is lets say SC is a smash hit. Huge success. For every smash hit you have 1000 flops. It won't change much, just might get more flops out that would not of been made.

Perspective, it could be great, it could suck, it could be alright. You still have a single part of the whole, until the whole is out, your counting your chickens before they hatch and are planning a feast before you pull in your crop.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1620 - 2014-06-17 21:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: digitalwanderer
DaReaper wrote:
Baneken wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:


And on the other hand, everything could work fine, the game turns out to be truly next generation and sets the bar pretty high to match or beat it by other developers, never mind it was player funded, but you'll still be the same old grouch and complaining about it and CR's reputation......The broken violin never stops.

Blink


Frankly I've been involved in all too many MMO and other game genre launches that promised the same as star citizens and they all fell flat on their faces.
So yeah more like hoping for the best, fearing for the worst and believing in nothing until the game is done.

Who knows if SC actually delivers even half of what has been promised I might even believe in game developers again.



Exactly, I can list off the top of my head at least five mmo's that were suppose to be legendary, going to revoltionize the business, will be the best thing since sliced bread, will kill or draw people from eve, were hyped like mad, then they came out and BOMBED.

Does SC sound like a cool concept, yes. Is it a game I personally am interested in playing? No, not really, not a fan of instancing and multi servers tyvm. Could it be ground breaking, epicly awesome, make CR a lot of money? sure. Could it be a complete disaster? sure. Is it the second coming of god incarnate, the game that will be the god game? no. Could Crowd funding games revolutionize business? no not really. And the only reason I say that is lets say SC is a smash hit. Huge success. For every smash hit you have 1000 flops. It won't change much, just might get more flops out that would not of been made.

Perspective, it could be great, it could suck, it could be alright. You still have a single part of the whole, until the whole is out, your counting your chickens before they hatch and are planning a feast before you pull in your crop.



No choice but to be instanced as this isn't a game with the same amount of detail as EVE, and rendering hundreds of ships in that kind of detail would make PC's commit suicide rendering all that workload.....As it is, I only have 5 ships in the hangar( deluxe hangar) and a 2560*1440 with maxed options, the video cards already consume 3.4 GB( 290x's), while on the multiplayer map it only drops to 3.2 GB.


So take this to an extreme and imagine a 50~100 ship dogfight involving fighters, corvettes, destroyers, cruisers and battle cruisers blowing each other up, at high quality settings, and you can imagine how the heck will any hardware right now on the market is going to render this at playable frame rates....When CR mentioned this game being made for next generation hardware, and exclusively for the PC he wasn't messing around.


Lower quality settings or view it at long range like eve can't be done since guns and missiles only have a few kms worth of range, so your ship is very much in the middle of that massive furball and lowering quality is an insult to the incredible artwork everywhere that took a long time to create , hence the possibility of non instanced is impossible unless you like to see a slide show with a new frame rendered every 30 secs....Shocked