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[MERC] The Marmite Collective

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#4101 - 2014-06-15 20:52:58 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Doesn't matter if they can fight or not. Call them **** if you like but the fact remains they'll hurt your empire logistics. And that's a service plenty of people are paying for.
lol will they?
They hurt the dumbasses that go to highsec on alliance characters, something we explicitly tell them not to do. They effectively teach our members, and other people pay for it. Do you honestly think alliance logistics are done on alliance characters? Do you know anything about how null groups work? If we ran logistics on alliance characters, no null group would survive any of the hundreds of wardecs they receive.

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Fybs
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Minmatar Republic
#4102 - 2014-06-15 22:18:39 UTC
I am now certain we have cause some serious butt hurt to you Lucas in some way. your obsession with us is on a similar level to gobblins obsession with killing goons. what we do is never personal is just good fun (marmite is probably the most fun alliance in eve IMOBig smile)

i think you should take a step away from C&P bud it's clearly having an effect on your well being.


P.S big shout out to black sails for the fleet fight the other day it was a lot of fun Smile

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Maichin Civire
#4103 - 2014-06-15 22:30:47 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
Ok, I will stop it now. As I was thought not to play with my food.

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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#4104 - 2014-06-16 00:30:45 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Doesn't matter if they can fight or not. Call them **** if you like but the fact remains they'll hurt your empire logistics. And that's a service plenty of people are paying for.
lol will they?
They hurt the dumbasses that go to highsec on alliance characters, something we explicitly tell them not to do. They effectively teach our members, and other people pay for it. Do you honestly think alliance logistics are done on alliance characters? Do you know anything about how null groups work? If we ran logistics on alliance characters, no null group would survive any of the hundreds of wardecs they receive.



Dumbasses or not, it's still alliance characters. And no not all alliance logistics are done on alliance characters but some is. Again it doesn't matter how they do it, fact is Marmite racks up kills even if it's "no skill jita camping ganks." Doesn't matter. It's still results.
Zeus Maximo
Mentally Assured Destruction
#4105 - 2014-06-16 01:03:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeus Maximo
Lucas Kell wrote:
You mean there are really people out there who think they are actually mercs and actually pay them to do stuff? There's at least half a dozen merc corps out there who could actually pose a threat and who you would actively avoid.


That's where we come in. When a contractor wants an entities pvp group to take a hit they hire us. When they want the industrial side to suffer they hire marmite.

Obviously I prefer that they hire us considering its probably their targets pvp players that gave them the trouble anyways. Why hire mercs to kill the sheep when its the wolves that killed them?

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Lucas Kell
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#4106 - 2014-06-16 07:17:20 UTC
Fybs wrote:
I am now certain we have cause some serious butt hurt to you Lucas in some way. your obsession with us is on a similar level to gobblins obsession with killing goons. what we do is never personal is just good fun (marmite is probably the most fun alliance in eve IMOBig smile)

i think you should take a step away from C&P bud it's clearly having an effect on your well being.
lol, the usual comeback. Fail there buddy. You might want to reevaluate your idea of what obsession is. Responding to a thread doesn't automatically make me obsessed, you just don't like that I point out facts and rather than try to prove me wrong, you instead leap into attacking me. Typical defensive responses.

And careful, since Gevlon is your leader, you don't want to get on the wrong side of him. He's made it clear that if he wasn't paying your wars you couldn't afford most of them.

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#4107 - 2014-06-16 07:23:10 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Dumbasses or not, it's still alliance characters. And no not all alliance logistics are done on alliance characters but some is. Again it doesn't matter how they do it, fact is Marmite racks up kills even if it's "no skill jita camping ganks." Doesn't matter. It's still results.
No, no alliance level logistics is done on alliance characters. If someone in alliance logistics were to do that, they'd no longer be in alliance logistics. Pretty much any null group follows this principle. It's dead easy to use an NPC freighter to ship things to empty border systems then jump it out from there and there's no excuse for not doing it.

Those people that get killed, they deserve to die for not listening to a simple alliance rule. And yes, it does matter. Again, it's called context. Marmite cheer themselves on as if them killing "random moron 20534" is somehow damaging to us as an alliance, when in fact it helps us more than it hinders us. During burn Jita we killed our own people if they were there too, since if you can't follow a simple instruction you deserve to die.

What do you think the results are showing? All they are doing is buffing their KB so they can point uninformed people at their killboard and say "look at that number, we MUST be good". Context proves they aren't.

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Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4108 - 2014-06-16 07:52:21 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Fybs wrote:
I am now certain we have cause some serious butt hurt to you Lucas in some way. your obsession with us is on a similar level to gobblins obsession with killing goons. what we do is never personal is just good fun (marmite is probably the most fun alliance in eve IMOBig smile)

i think you should take a step away from C&P bud it's clearly having an effect on your well being.
lol, the usual comeback. Fail there buddy. You might want to reevaluate your idea of what obsession is. Responding to a thread doesn't automatically make me obsessed, you just don't like that I point out facts and rather than try to prove me wrong, you instead leap into attacking me. Typical defensive responses.

And careful, since Gevlon is your leader, you don't want to get on the wrong side of him. He's made it clear that if he wasn't paying your wars you couldn't afford most of them.


iv proved you wrong numerous times just one look at my own kill board shows that Lol

p.s you seem to forget that we was war deccing on mass long before gevlon and will continue to do so when he goes. you must actually be nuts if you believe otherwise Big smile

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
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#4109 - 2014-06-16 09:18:00 UTC
Fybs wrote:
iv proved you wrong numerous times just one look at my own kill board shows that Lol
What does your killboard show? I see you outnumbering missioners and industrial ships 10 to 1. I don't really see anything that would make you stand out as an elite PvPer. Oh, I'm sorry was I just supposed to look at the raw numbers and ignore everything else?

Fybs wrote:
p.s you seem to forget that we was war deccing on mass long before gevlon and will continue to do so when he goes. you must actually be nuts if you believe otherwise Big smile
I never stated that I did believe that, but your leader has stated it so I'd be surprised if it was too far from the truth. We did in fact point out that you've always wardecced people, but apparently you could only afford small wardecs and for short periods of time. Again, your leader's words, not mine.

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Fybs
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Minmatar Republic
#4110 - 2014-06-16 09:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Fybs
That's exactly what you do (ignore everything else)

1) you always say we only camp hubs and only hubs

2) you say we run away when anyone fights backs

3) you say we only kill indi/mission ships

clearly my own kill board shows the above statements are BS.

P.S If I say on blog that I'm your leader would you believe that aswell? don't believe everything you read Big smile gevlon is just one of many clients we have (he just writes a blog about it). and last but not lest you seem to forget we was war deccing CFC before gevlon Lol

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Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#4111 - 2014-06-16 09:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tora Bushido
Zeus Maximo wrote:
Why hire mercs to kill the sheep when its the wolves that killed them?
Because when there are no more sheeps, the wolf will be all alone and dies. To get to a goal, the direct route isn't always the smartest. It's like a castle. You can focus on the strong door till you are grey or you can break down the walls around it.

@Lucas: We don't care what you think. Get help, you need it. Till then we will keep killing Monkeys, Goons, Bla's etc. Why ? Because its FUN ! Just as much fun as people enjoy killing Marmites or making stupid replies here. It's a game mate, not real life. You should try it one day.

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Lucas Kell
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#4112 - 2014-06-16 10:46:13 UTC
Fybs wrote:
1) you always say we only camp hubs and only hubs
Actually, I also state that you camp pipe gates.

Fybs wrote:
2) you say we run away when anyone fights backs

3) you say we only kill indi/mission ships
Generally, as a group you do. Sure, the odd one of you might occasionally break the mould, but overall you just go for easy risk-free kills. And you do so because if you take risks and lose a ship you get reamed out for it, since the only thing that is important to you guys is a high efficiency number.

Fybs wrote:
clearly my own kill board shows the above statements are BS.
How? Your killboard reinforces that if anything. The majority of your kills are large groups against ships that have literally 0 chance of defending themselves against even one of you. Have you actually looked at your killboard?

Fybs wrote:
P.S If I say on blog that I'm your leader would you believe that aswell? don't believe everything you read Big smile gevlon is just one of many clients we have (he just writes a blog about it). and last but not lest you seem to forget we was war deccing CFC before gevlon Lol
no, but if you aid on a blog you were my leader and I proceeded to follow your every command and adhere to your wild beliefs, then I'd believe it. Before you used to just wardec the CFC, now you've got Tora rolling his alt and spewing out the same anti-CFC sperg that Gevlon is spouting. To suggest that what you guys are doing now is just business as usual is laughable.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that your line members and queuing up behind Gevlon and cheering, but you follow Tora, Tora follows Gevlon. Gevlon is your equivalent of Mittani, he's your coalition leader.

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Lucas Kell
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#4113 - 2014-06-16 10:49:50 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
@Lucas: We don't care what you think. Get help, you need it. Till then we will keep killing Monkeys, Goons, Bla's etc. Why ? Because its FUN ! Just as much fun as people enjoy killing Marmites or making stupid replies here. It's a game mate, not real life. You should try it one day.
lol, go ahead and kill whoever you want, or at least whoever Gevlon commands you to.

And yes, it's a game, but you guys do seem to take it pretty seriously. That's pretty much why it's fun to poke you with a stick and watch you scream and point at your killboard saying "But but... numbers! We're relevant I swear!". Maybe you need to have a word with your leader though hand let him know it's just a game since he seems to have missed that memo in one of the hundreds of daily "I hate goons!" posts he does.

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Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4114 - 2014-06-16 11:46:56 UTC
Lucas you clearly have no actual knowledge of how high sec mercing works Lol

so what do think we should do?

go to null and get blobbed by the CFC like everyone else? you guys are the worst for it!

should we camp dead end systems where none of our targets are? because that's fun right!

should we only kill ships that have points fitted to them and let all the fat Indi ships go? because that's what you would do if a neutral orca past you in null is it not?

I kill anything and everything I can get my hands on Big smile

it really is that simple

P.S you constant ranting here shows you have some real and deep butt hurt with us.
would you like me to fly down to your system and we can have a nice little 1 v 1? oh I forget your not a pvper so would
just hide in station or get a blob to fight me yourself Lol

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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4115 - 2014-06-16 12:06:34 UTC
Fybs wrote:
Lucas you clearly have no actual knowledge of how high sec mercing works Lol

so what do think we should do?

go to null and get blobbed by the CFC like everyone else? you guys are the worst for it!

should we camp dead end systems where none of our targets are? because that's fun right!

should we only kill ships that have points fitted to them and let all the fat Indi ships go? because that's what you would do if a neutral orca past you in null is it not?

I kill anything and everything I can get my hands on Big smile

it really is that simple

P.S you constant ranting here shows you have some real and deep butt hurt with us.
would you like me to fly down to your system and we can have a nice little 1 v 1? oh I forget your not a pvper so would
just hide in station or get a blob to fight me yourself Lol


He has a point...

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#4116 - 2014-06-16 12:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Fybs wrote:
Lucas you clearly have no actual knowledge of how high sec mercing works Lol
I think it's safe to say I understand a lot about marmite ;)

Fybs wrote:
so what do think we should do?

go to null and get blobbed by the CFC like everyone else? you guys are the worst for it!

should we camp dead end systems where none of our targets are? because that's fun right!

should we only kill ships that have points fitted to them and let all the fat Indi ships go? because that's what you would do if a neutral orca past you in null is it not?

I kill anything and everything I can get my hands on Big smile

it really is that simple
Your logic might make a bit more sense here if a) it wasn't reductio ad absurdum, and b) you were only ever hired for wardecs.

Lets face facts, you don't only wardec based off of contracts, you also wardec off of your own backs to boost your killboard. When you are picking a target you pick the weakest targets so you can gain the most efficiency. Null groups have always been favoured by groups for boosting efficiency as generally the only people in highsec will be haulers or not very bright, and the chance of a retaliation is very very slim. Now right up to this point, that's fairly normal, a lot of groups pad their killboard.

Where it becomes moronic is when you turn around and start acting like the numbers on your killboard prove that you are a competent group and that you are amazing at PvP. They don't, they are simply easy kills designed specifically to pad your killboard, so at a glance you appear to be competent. If you were actually able to PvP effectively, PoH wouldn't have dunked you so heavily.

Fybs wrote:
P.S you constant ranting here shows you have some real and deep butt hurt with us.
would you like me to fly down to your system and we can have a nice little 1 v 1? oh I forget your not a pvper so would
just hide in station or get a blob to fight me yourself Lol
Ah yes, the usual "you are posting therefore you must be crying!" fallacy. We could from that look at how defensive you have become over this and surmise that it stems from a deeply embedded sense of inadequacy, couldn't we?

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Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4117 - 2014-06-16 13:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Fybs
you say we only carefully pick weak targets? it was only yesterday I saw tora war dec a corp simply because he felt like it Lol

that had some serious and careful thought into that one!!

I had some very funny tears from players in local just because we war decced them for lolz!

POH applied some very good guerrilla tactics against us. the same sort of tactics we do to you guys.

They never fought when outnumbered and only picked weak unknowing hub campers or solo marmites (fair play to them I would have done the same). they never once bothered me personally but maybe that's because I don't camp hubs. I have respect for them purely because they know when to fight and when not too like all good players should Big smile

p.s I take it that's a no to the 1 v 1?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#4118 - 2014-06-16 13:39:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Fybs wrote:
you say we only carefully pick weak targets? it was only yesterday I saw tora war dec a corp simply because he felt like it Lol

that had some serious and careful thought into that one!!
Suuure he did. And what corp was that?

Fybs wrote:
POH applied some very good guerrilla tactics against us. the same sort of tactics we do to you guys.
L O L
So now what you guys do is "guerrilla tactics"? Attacking things that don't matter to us and have absolutely no impact on our day to day operations is guerrilla tactics now?

Fybs wrote:
They never fought when outnumbered and only picked weak unknowing hub campers or solo marmites (fair play to them I would have done the same). they never once bothered me personally but maybe that's because I don't camp hubs. I have respect for them purely because they know when to fight and when not too like all good players should Big smile
Haven't you literally just got through explaining why that is tactics? If you ganking easy targets makes you elite PvPers, then PoH dunking you so heavily clearly puts the leagues ahead of you, making you clearly not elite. The difference between them and you being that they attacked you in the area of space that you actually live, you know, high sec. You however attack null groups in high sec, far far far away from the danger of a response fleet.

Fybs wrote:
p.s I take it that's a no to the 1 v 1?
You mean attack you with an industrial character, hope that I can by some miracle un-manufacture your ship? No thanks. I'll just leave you to blob industrial ships and cheer about how elite you are for shooting a ship that has no guns. I, unlike you, have nothing to prove. I'm not an elite PvPer, and that's OK.

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Fybs
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4119 - 2014-06-16 15:04:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Fybs
well actually we apply guerrilla tactics to all groups larger then us. it's a good sound tactic to use don't you agree?

also I couldn't care less if we effect you or not Big smile as long as I get to shoot players I don't give a damn!

I consider all your posts null and void because you know nothing about pvp and are just a care bear posting dribble.

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#4120 - 2014-06-16 15:08:37 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Attacking things that don't matter to us

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