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Subject 4927
DPS INC
Kenshin Shogunate.
#121 - 2014-06-12 01:57:15 UTC
I have had a very hard time finding my perfect corp, thus I forever join corps to see if they're the one.

:sademoji:

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Solecist Project
#122 - 2014-06-12 02:07:21 UTC
Subject 4927 wrote:
I have had a very hard time finding my perfect corp, thus I forever join corps to see if they're the one.

:sademoji:
Tbh, threads like these are rather rare around here
and you deserve your share too.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#123 - 2014-06-12 04:19:33 UTC
Frankly, the most valuable information that asking for a full API gives a recruiter is Just how badly does that prospect want to join... and is he willing to do something for the good of all the other players in the organization when it might not necessarily be convenient for him.

There are a lot of folks out there that only want to join a corp to give themselves an advantage, and could care less about actually working with others towards commonly held goals. These are the types of players that won't risk a ship to aid their corp mates, won't spend a modicum of time doing something tedious but necessary if it doesn't benefit themselves immediately, and have little (if any) desire or capacity to work as part of a team.

They are the type of player that immediately asks "why should I put my personal assets on the line for you" whilst completely ignoring the fact that if it weren't for the combined efforts of the corp members they wouldn't have access to the means to build up those assets in the first place.

You know where to find this type of player. Where ever an important battle to hang onto your territory is taking place, he'll be next door studiously ignoring calls to arms while he farms anoms.

A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2014-06-12 04:39:50 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides.

So all decisions in EVE should be based on the tendencies of players who won't screw you over? Well, if Ranger 1 doesn't sift through my email without having a good reason, then no one else will.

Good advice, thanks.

I'd be happy to lose the ability to read email in third party applications if it removed email as an API checkbox that is blindly ticked in a "full API" request that is so in vogue now.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#125 - 2014-06-12 13:04:07 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Frankly, the most valuable information that asking for a full API gives a recruiter is Just how badly does that prospect want to join... and is he willing to do something for the good of all the other players in the organization when it might not necessarily be convenient for him.

There are a lot of folks out there that only want to join a corp to give themselves an advantage, and could care less about actually working with others towards commonly held goals. These are the types of players that won't risk a ship to aid their corp mates, won't spend a modicum of time doing something tedious but necessary if it doesn't benefit themselves immediately, and have little (if any) desire or capacity to work as part of a team.

They are the type of player that immediately asks "why should I put my personal assets on the line for you" whilst completely ignoring the fact that if it weren't for the combined efforts of the corp members they wouldn't have access to the means to build up those assets in the first place.

You know where to find this type of player. Where ever an important battle to hang onto your territory is taking place, he'll be next door studiously ignoring calls to arms while he farms anoms.

A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides.



TIL People who don't give access to their private information are selfish anom farmers who ignore CTAs.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Solecist Project
#126 - 2014-06-12 13:45:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Ranger 1 wrote:
Frankly, the most valuable information that asking for a full API gives a recruiter is Just how badly does that prospect want to join... and is he willing to do something for the good of all the other players in the organization when it might not necessarily be convenient for him.

There are a lot of folks out there that only want to join a corp to give themselves an advantage, and could care less about actually working with others towards commonly held goals. These are the types of players that won't risk a ship to aid their corp mates, won't spend a modicum of time doing something tedious but necessary if it doesn't benefit themselves immediately, and have little (if any) desire or capacity to work as part of a team.

They are the type of player that immediately asks "why should I put my personal assets on the line for you" whilst completely ignoring the fact that if it weren't for the combined efforts of the corp members they wouldn't have access to the means to build up those assets in the first place.

You know where to find this type of player. Where ever an important battle to hang onto your territory is taking place, he'll be next door studiously ignoring calls to arms while he farms anoms.

A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides.

So much this.

So many people just care about themselves or about how to make their tiny thingies look bigger.

I'm in contact with one that fits here perfectly, but on our side.
Has crappy carebear corpmates and doesn't realize that,
whatever he tries, they will never be loyal friends.
All they want to do is mine afk and hide if a wardec comes.

And there are SO MANY of these .... people ... it's disgusting!


Oh btw... people who aren't willing to give away a full key are perfectly right.
Not only does no one have the right to read my mails,
whoever believes it helps him has no clue anyway!

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Spectral Tiger
#127 - 2014-06-12 13:51:27 UTC
Don't give them a full API, they don't really need it anyway, they're just being nosey.


All you need is a trust worthy face.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#128 - 2014-06-13 07:21:16 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides.

So all decisions in EVE should be based on the tendencies of players who won't screw you over? Well, if Ranger 1 doesn't sift through my email without having a good reason, then no one else will.

Good advice, thanks.

I'd be happy to lose the ability to read email in third party applications if it removed email as an API checkbox that is blindly ticked in a "full API" request that is so in vogue now.

Your email gets sifted through all the time anyway, and I'm not just talking about email in game.

You do realize that right? Blink

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Amenity Project
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2014-06-13 10:46:38 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
A skilled recruiter learns more from the applicants reaction to the request for a full API than he usually learns by sifting through the information it provides.

So all decisions in EVE should be based on the tendencies of players who won't screw you over? Well, if Ranger 1 doesn't sift through my email without having a good reason, then no one else will.

Good advice, thanks.

I'd be happy to lose the ability to read email in third party applications if it removed email as an API checkbox that is blindly ticked in a "full API" request that is so in vogue now.

Your email gets sifted through all the time anyway, and I'm not just talking about email in game.

You do realize that right? Blink

Which has nothing to do with it and is completely misplaced.
Having random people read private mails can be worse than the gov reading it,
because unlike the gov, people will misuse this if possible.

The gov just gathers the data and adds it to a profile,
but the people will use it to harm you when possible.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#130 - 2014-06-14 00:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
So theres a lot of people telling you that the API isn't that great of a security measure and that you shouldn't give it out 'unless the directors are willing to give you theirs" or some other inane nonsense.


This is of course your choice but any player corp with any form of assets that they allow the member to use (all the ones that work for the member instead of having the member work for them) will ask for a full API.

Spies happen in EVE, and while the API isn't ironclad protection its but one of many layers that add up to create protection against unwanted people.

  • Who do you have watchlisted, that can be a giveaway that often times people forget.

  • Who do you trade with? Any person checking an api doesn't give a damn about what you trade, the care about who you trade it with, how frequently, and what your relationship with that person is.

  • Who do you get EVE mails from. You might think it doesn't matter but we've literally caught a guy who tried to sell high value pos locations via EVE Mail from the alliance he was in. Thats shady and that person was just as likely to do that to PL on the way out the door (though tbh i'll sell you our pos locations too).

  • What do you have in the way of assets. Your word is great and all but knowing without a doubt that you'll be able to afford living the life my alliance requires is something that my recruitment team decides, based on facts provided by the API, not based on your word. Shocking News Update: People lie in EVE.

  • What alts do you have on your accounts, and who do they do the above mentioned with.

  • Can i get a global picture of all your alts that shows me you're doing a lot of hand to hand trades with another alt thats either a close friend of yours or an undisclosed alt?

  • Where are your alts located around EVE and why?

  • What skills do you have, what are you training?

  • Whats your combat record look like, do you have an awoxer buried on some account you feed money to in a stupid way that i might find by combing your data?

  • Is your account even active? If its not why would we keep you employed.


  • Or even, is your account and your alt the same age, which generally denotes that you bought your alt, if you didn't disclose that, why?





I want to know all these things because the average Snigg member has access to literally billions of isk in assets at any given time with little more than a word to get hold of some, and nothing at all to get hold of others. You can bet your ass that I will employ every single method at my disposal to weed out the unwanted elements from our corp.

Anybody telling you that a Full Access API can't help with that is a liar and an idiot.

Eve is full of liars and thieves, corps have a right to defend themselves from that.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Chuk Ormand
Alternative Solutions Corporation
#131 - 2014-06-14 02:42:27 UTC
Because of this post i deleted any API keys i had. I play this game to get AWAY from real life bs. In rl big brother is watching any move i make. I would rather make my own way solo than join a corp that requires a full API. -chuk
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#132 - 2014-06-14 02:50:44 UTC
Chuk Ormand wrote:
I play this game to get AWAY from real life bs.


So you joined a game based around some of the darkest parts of humanity to get away from that in real life....


Sounds like you're good at making choices.


Also I'm making notes of all the people in corps here that are refusing to give out full API's to see exactly how many of you we can rob.


Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#133 - 2014-06-14 02:50:57 UTC
Chuk Ormand wrote:
Because of this post i deleted any API keys i had. I play this game to get AWAY from real life bs. In rl big brother is watching any move i make. I would rather make my own way solo than join a corp that requires a full API. -chuk

The problem is RL people play Eve so they do the same dumb stuff.

The best way to play Eve is with RL friends. No API needed because I know where you live Twisted
Spectral Tiger
#134 - 2014-06-14 11:37:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Spectral Tiger
Grath Telkin wrote:
Chuk Ormand wrote:
I play this game to get AWAY from real life bs.


So you joined a game based around some of the darkest parts of humanity to get away from that in real life....


Sounds like you're good at making choices.


Also I'm making notes of all the people in corps here that are refusing to give out full API's to see exactly how many of you we can rob.





If a corp requires a full API then it's not a corp for me.

Don't like corps that take themselves too seriously, if you want to run a corp like a business in the real world, your efforts would be better spent in the real world and not wasted on a game. Most people play for leisure not to be king of the empire with loads of minions running around beneath them doing their bidding.

Noticed you said earlier you like to know what they're training, is this so you can get them to train what you want them to train? Actually with what you listed earlier I'm surprised you don't ask them what they had for breakfast. Or do you?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#135 - 2014-06-14 11:48:18 UTC
Spectral Tiger wrote:
Most people play for leisure not to be king of the empire with loads of minions running around beneath them doing their bidding.


This must be why Populous, Black And White, Sim City, WarCraft, StarCraft, Dune II, Command And Conquer, Civilisation, Star Control, Alpha Centauri, Diplomacy and Dungeon Keeper were really unpopular games no one has heard of.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Spectral Tiger
#136 - 2014-06-14 11:55:45 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Spectral Tiger wrote:
Most people play for leisure not to be king of the empire with loads of minions running around beneath them doing their bidding.


This must be why Populous, Black And White, Sim City, WarCraft, StarCraft, Dune II, Command And Conquer, Civilisation, Star Control, Alpha Centauri, Diplomacy and Dungeon Keeper were really unpopular games no one has heard of.



I played 6 of those you listed, all of those 6 are single player games. Actually Populous was one of my favourites. But that 's completely different when you replace your troops with real people.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#137 - 2014-06-14 12:03:46 UTC
Spectral Tiger wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Spectral Tiger wrote:
Most people play for leisure not to be king of the empire with loads of minions running around beneath them doing their bidding.


This must be why Populous, Black And White, Sim City, WarCraft, StarCraft, Dune II, Command And Conquer, Civilisation, Star Control, Alpha Centauri, Diplomacy and Dungeon Keeper were really unpopular games no one has heard of.



I played 6 of those you listed, all of those 6 are single player games. Actually Populous was one of my favourites. But that 's completely different when you replace your troops with real people.



One of them is single player. Oh wait, Populous II had RS232 support. So none of them are single player.

But you are right, it is different.

Its so much better when its real people

**** gets done properly

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lady Areola Fappington
#138 - 2014-06-14 12:11:52 UTC
A really good corp infiltrator will have no problem giving you an API. It'll be perfectly clean. A bad corp infiltrator won't want to give an API, or will have dirt in it that's real obvious to check.

For every one good infiltrator, there's 100 bad ones. Asking for an API, and checking it correctly, will keep those 100 guys out, so you only have to deal with the chaos that one guy causes.

Also, art imitates life. It's not the random outsider that corps both RL and in-game defend against, it's the disgruntled insider who has access to valuable things. I'd say, the up-front API check is not as important as the API check you do 14, 30, 90, and 180 days down the line.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Spectral Tiger
#139 - 2014-06-14 12:32:59 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
A really good corp infiltrator will have no problem giving you an API. It'll be perfectly clean. A bad corp infiltrator won't want to give an API, or will have dirt in it that's real obvious to check.

For every one good infiltrator, there's 100 bad ones. Asking for an API, and checking it correctly, will keep those 100 guys out, so you only have to deal with the chaos that one guy causes.

Also, art imitates life. It's not the random outsider that corps both RL and in-game defend against, it's the disgruntled insider who has access to valuable things. I'd say, the up-front API check is not as important as the API check you do 14, 30, 90, and 180 days down the line.



Bottom line is corps are paranoid and don't trust their corp. mates. Sounds like a great place to want to be.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#140 - 2014-06-14 12:34:03 UTC
Spectral Tiger wrote:

Bottom line is corps are paranoid and don't trust their corp. mates. Sounds like a great place to want to be.


Bottom lie is if you arent paranoid you will get ripped off

How have you stayed alive this long without realising this?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann