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Full API to join Corps

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2014-06-10 21:12:30 UTC
And people wonder why its so easy for us to get spies into their craptastic corps.....

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Kijo Rikki
Perkone
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-06-10 21:14:01 UTC
No less than 12, right?

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#103 - 2014-06-10 21:23:44 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
No less than 12, right?

If you saw our budget you'd know how accurate that number is.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Kijo Rikki
Perkone
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-06-10 21:46:26 UTC
Probably not unless you told me how much spies are worth. I do often wonder what your budget looks like. Shocked

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#105 - 2014-06-10 22:20:19 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Probably not unless you told me how much spies are worth. I do often wonder what your budget looks like. Shocked


Wartime about 50-60bn a month


Peacetime (now) about 30-35b a month.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2014-06-10 23:07:03 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
If a corp asks for a full API, look for a different corp.

If a corp doesn't ask for a full API, they don't have anything worth stealing/destroying and thus probably aren't a very good corp.

You normally aren't this blunt, James. Lol

You do realize you can define hanger access using Roles and Titles right? Then you might also realize you can fully control who has access to what hanger, making it possible to recruit new people without them having access to sensitive corporate hangers.

Since assets can be remotely moved from one office hanger to another, proper access settings are more usefull to prevent actual theft then an API key, as they can be used to 100% guarantee a person doesn't get access to expensive assets. I'd be more concerned with awoxing then theft.

If they're not security conscious enough to ask for API, they're probably not security conscious enough to segregate assets intelligently either.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Plug in Baby
Broken Hearts Love Chocolate
#107 - 2014-06-10 23:20:11 UTC
Why would you want to join a corp that didn't require a full (or close to full) API?

Why would you join a corp that doesn't take even basic security measures? You are putting your trust and assets in the hands of your corp, don't you want to put as many barriers as possible up to keep undesirable types out.

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#108 - 2014-06-10 23:45:28 UTC
Plug in Baby wrote:
Why would you want to join a corp that didn't require a full (or close to full) API?

Why would you join a corp that doesn't take even basic security measures? You are putting your trust and assets in the hands of your corp, don't you want to put as many barriers as possible up to keep undesirable types out.

Because a full API is not a basic security measure. It's a regurgitated meme that a full API is a security measure. While the reality is it's nothing of the sort.
Certain API checks are security measures. But won't stop a clean account paid for anyway.

Most people asking for Full API's have no idea what they are actually looking for and just do it because someone told them you need to ask for full API's for corp recruitment.

Someone asking for a very precisely targeted partial is much more likely to have a 'secure' corp as they actually know what they are looking at and will be effective with their checks.
Kesshisan
#109 - 2014-06-11 18:10:48 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Full API allows access to your market activities.

Nobody trading should ever give such information away to any corporation.

Unless you don't mind them cherry picking your profits.

If a corporation is too lazy to ask for exactly what they need and able to tell you why keep looking.

In the post custom API age no reason to use anything but custom.


It took 69 posts to get to this point. Thank you Ireland VonVicious.

I have one account with two characters on it. When I first started playing EvE, I paused my main (This guy) for about 2 weeks to train up a station trading alt. He lives in Jita and flips goods for profit.

Also this guy (who has actual spaceship skills) finds regions missing key modules and ships that capsulers use and hauls the goods out there. He then "fills that hole." If I'm the only one filling that hole then there is profit to be made. If there are two or three of us, the individual profit decreases drastically.

Not giving my full API isn't about not letting you read the smutty evemail I have. It isn't about not letting you know who my alts are. It isn't about hiding modules on my ships. It's about hiding my profits. If I gave anyone my full API, they could easily usurp my profits. This is an unacceptable risk to me.
Eyrun Mangeiri
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2014-06-11 18:12:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Eyrun Mangeiri
Plug in Baby wrote:
Why would you want to join a corp that didn't require a full (or close to full) API?

Why would you join a corp that doesn't take even basic security measures? You are putting your trust and assets in the hands of your corp, don't you want to put as many barriers as possible up to keep undesirable types out.


Brave Newbies Inc. does not require anything except from application ingame and everyone seems to have a great time here.
Only API that is needed is for Brave IT stuff, and that is basically only to verify that the Character is in the Corp (very minimalistic API)

I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song.

Otin Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#111 - 2014-06-11 18:51:42 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Full API seems a bit much unless they have a specific reason after checking killboards, eveboard, eve-gate, etc.

A partial API is normally enough.

As an observation though, I don't think many Corps really dedicate time to learning proper security.[


This.

A guide to eve recruiting for new players.


Fricken hysterical
Qaping Pi
Doomheim
#112 - 2014-06-11 19:00:00 UTC
Are these corporations usually willing to share the full, non-expiring API's of their members' accounts, including their recruiters, directors and CEO's, upon submitting your own? You know, for the same reason they want to have yours?
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#113 - 2014-06-11 19:07:27 UTC
We require a real life resume, 24/7 remote desktop control of your computer and we have a monitor reside with you in your home ready to cut your internet connection at the first sign of trouble. We're working on implanting remotely detonated sub-cutaneous explosives in our members, but we just don't have the funds for that yet.

No good deed goes unpunished

ISD Ezwal
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#114 - 2014-06-11 20:35:13 UTC
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Solai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2014-06-11 21:18:55 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Plug in Baby wrote:
Why would you want to join a corp that didn't require a full (or close to full) API?

Why would you join a corp that doesn't take even basic security measures? You are putting your trust and assets in the hands of your corp, don't you want to put as many barriers as possible up to keep undesirable types out.

Because a full API is not a basic security measure. It's a regurgitated meme that a full API is a security measure. While the reality is it's nothing of the sort.
Certain API checks are security measures. But won't stop a clean account paid for anyway.

Most people asking for Full API's have no idea what they are actually looking for and just do it because someone told them you need to ask for full API's for corp recruitment.

Someone asking for a very precisely targeted partial is much more likely to have a 'secure' corp as they actually know what they are looking at and will be effective with their checks.

When you say 'precisely targeted partial,' would you be so kind as to tell us which elements you propose to exclude?
Xuixien
Black Echelon
#116 - 2014-06-12 00:33:31 UTC
I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.

And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp).

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Solecist Project
#117 - 2014-06-12 00:36:09 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.

And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp).

Awoxer.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#118 - 2014-06-12 00:42:59 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.

And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp).


Your employment history just called you a liar. To your FACE. Now what? Are you gonna get down with the sickness or get jiggy with it?

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

I invented Tiericide

Xuixien
Black Echelon
#119 - 2014-06-12 00:44:08 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.

And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp).


Your employment history just called you a liar. To your FACE. Now what? Are you gonna get down with the sickness or get jiggy with it?


And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp).

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Solecist Project
#120 - 2014-06-12 00:45:42 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
I only give my full API to corp's worth joining.

And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp).


Your employment history just called you a liar. To your FACE. Now what? Are you gonna get down with the sickness or get jiggy with it?


And I only join corp's worth joining (I learned through many fail corps how to find a good corp).
Still an awoxer.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia