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Logistics ships should show up on killmails.

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Comboduck
The Voices Keep Getting Louder
#1 - 2011-12-05 09:31:50 UTC
It's be pretty awesome if remote assistance showed up on killmails, and lossmails.

For instance, if I remote rep a sleipnir killing another sleipnir, I will show up on the dead sleipnirs lossmail. Also, if the other sleipnir happens to win, I will show up in a seperate column on my gangmates lossmail with how much I repped him.

ANY THOTS
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#2 - 2011-12-05 09:43:48 UTC
Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
Comboduck
The Voices Keep Getting Louder
#3 - 2011-12-05 09:47:42 UTC
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.


COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#4 - 2011-12-05 09:54:35 UTC
That is why logis come with drones so they can killmail whore with the best of them.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#5 - 2011-12-05 10:02:54 UTC
Comboduck wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.


COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS


It's on topic, you can have lazy access to killmails if they fix the inherent problems with them. In order to get on a killmail currently they need to perform an act of aggression which is completely fair, it's also really easy to put a small arty or use a flight of light drones to get on it my friends do this all the time.

If you want kills for reps they should fix the ships and give inherited aggression for reps on ships shooting other ships as well. Fair is fair.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2011-12-05 10:04:55 UTC
Comboduck wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.


COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS



I like his idea more.
Comboduck
The Voices Keep Getting Louder
#7 - 2011-12-05 10:08:57 UTC
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Comboduck wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.


COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS


It's on topic, you can have lazy access to killmails if they fix the inherent problems with them. In order to get on a killmail currently they need to perform an act of aggression which is completely fair, it's also really easy to put a small arty or use a flight of light drones to get on it my friends do this all the time.

If you want kills for reps they should fix the ships and give inherited aggression for reps on ships shooting other ships as well. Fair is fair.


m8m8m8 there is NOTHING lazy about flying a logistics m8 and it should be rewarded!!11111
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
#8 - 2011-12-05 10:13:55 UTC
Comboduck wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Comboduck wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.


COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS


It's on topic, you can have lazy access to killmails if they fix the inherent problems with them. In order to get on a killmail currently they need to perform an act of aggression which is completely fair, it's also really easy to put a small arty or use a flight of light drones to get on it my friends do this all the time.

If you want kills for reps they should fix the ships and give inherited aggression for reps on ships shooting other ships as well. Fair is fair.


m8m8m8 there is NOTHING lazy about flying a logistics m8 and it should be rewarded!!11111


Your apathy towards broken mechanics should not be rewarded, logis have needed session mechanics addressed for ages. If a logi want's to rep a ship engaged in combat it should not be effectively invincible on stations and gates.

I know that takes a steaming dump on the 1337 legions of highsec warriors and people afraid to commit but none the less it's a loophole that's long overdue in being addressed.

The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.

One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2011-12-05 10:17:09 UTC
Comboduck wrote:


m8m8m8 there is NOTHING lazy about flying a logistics m8 and it should be rewarded!!11111



Oh please you think you have it bad?

I like to fly scout but even though its me that finds the targets, me that gets the warp ins and me that will end up in a bubble deathtrap first I get to shoot even less than you logi pilots. It comes with the job.
Comboduck
The Voices Keep Getting Louder
#10 - 2011-12-05 10:17:50 UTC
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Comboduck wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Comboduck wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.


COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS


It's on topic, you can have lazy access to killmails if they fix the inherent problems with them. In order to get on a killmail currently they need to perform an act of aggression which is completely fair, it's also really easy to put a small arty or use a flight of light drones to get on it my friends do this all the time.

If you want kills for reps they should fix the ships and give inherited aggression for reps on ships shooting other ships as well. Fair is fair.


m8m8m8 there is NOTHING lazy about flying a logistics m8 and it should be rewarded!!11111


Your apathy towards broken mechanics should not be rewarded, logis have needed session mechanics addressed for ages. If a logi want's to rep a ship engaged in combat it should not be effectively invincible on stations and gates.

I know that takes a steaming dump on the 1337 legions of highsec warriors and people afraid to commit but none the less it's a loophole that's long overdue in being addressed.


butbut look at all my logistics losses I shouödn't be punished for sploiters ist's not fair
Valei Khurelem
#11 - 2011-12-05 11:00:30 UTC
I think this is a great idea, put kill mails on logistics so we can see who the suicide gankers and industrial griefers are.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-12-05 11:34:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Gaines
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Comboduck wrote:
XIRUSPHERE wrote:
Sure thing, just as soon as they fix the problem of you guys not inheriting aggression session penalties and being able to dock and jump through gates while assisting people rendering logi nearly invincible on gate and station.


COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC YOU NEED TO FOCUS


It's on topic, you can have lazy access to killmails if they fix the inherent problems with them. In order to get on a killmail currently they need to perform an act of aggression which is completely fair, it's also really easy to put a small arty or use a flight of light drones to get on it my friends do this all the time.

If you want kills for reps they should fix the ships and give inherited aggression for reps on ships shooting other ships as well. Fair is fair.

Funny how a doctor bubble causes aggression but half the time doesn't show up.


Killmails should be overhauled into a combat report including all parties involved in the action.


Logistics can have a separate area with zero damage or on the friendly mail with HP given. And yes, repping a player should transfer aggression.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2011-12-05 11:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Terminal Insanity
"you shouldnt play for killmails anyway"

I don't really care what you think i should play for. I'd like my scimi on the killmail please =D

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Comboduck
The Voices Keep Getting Louder
#14 - 2011-12-05 11:49:25 UTC
Personally I don't care much for killmails - I want a more accurate representation of the gangs in the battle reports to be possible. Links should be represented somehow as well I think.
Soma Khan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-12-05 13:26:02 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:



Killmails should be overhauled into a combat report including all parties involved in the action.


Logistics can have a separate area with zero damage or on the friendly mail with HP given. And yes, repping a player should transfer aggression.

this really. however the empire neut logi problem should be fixed concurrently
Keyanu
Best Kept Dunked
#16 - 2011-12-05 14:43:04 UTC
Your argument isn't vaild.

If you're not willing to aggress, you don't deserve to be on a killmail. The changes you're proposing is for you to have some sort of 'safe' wimp out-ish PvP where you can jump or dock at any time. This will certainly reduce the amount of losses you are taking!

You need to think things through before posting.
Xtover
Cold Moon Destruction.
#17 - 2011-12-05 14:45:21 UTC
Keyanu wrote:
Your argument isn't vaild.

If you're not willing to aggress, you don't deserve to be on a killmail. The changes you're proposing is for you to have some sort of 'safe' wimp out-ish PvP where you can jump or dock at any time. This will certainly reduce the amount of losses you are taking!

You need to think things through before posting.

You should read a thread before posting.

It's been agreed that such a thing would require the spread of agression to a repping player. With or without a killmail change it should be done.
Keyanu
Best Kept Dunked
#18 - 2011-12-05 14:50:36 UTC
Xtover wrote:
Keyanu wrote:
Your argument isn't vaild.

If you're not willing to aggress, you don't deserve to be on a killmail. The changes you're proposing is for you to have some sort of 'safe' wimp out-ish PvP where you can jump or dock at any time. This will certainly reduce the amount of losses you are taking!

You need to think things through before posting.

You should read a thread before posting.

It's been agreed that such a thing would require the spread of agression to a repping player. With or without a killmail change it should be done.


I wasn't responding to the thread but to the post which I specifically wrote. I was unaware the thread agreed to anything, enlighten me?
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#19 - 2011-12-05 14:57:47 UTC
Comboduck wrote:
It's be pretty awesome if remote assistance showed up on killmails, and lossmails.

For instance, if I remote rep a sleipnir killing another sleipnir, I will show up on the dead sleipnirs lossmail. Also, if the other sleipnir happens to win, I will show up in a seperate column on my gangmates lossmail with how much I repped him.

ANY THOTS


Thing is that the majority of players are just KM hunters, not being on KM's means you're "not" at "x" op for example, doesn't brings you benefits on your personal KB, and it's such annoying has play paladin in wow...

The moment the logistics is in the fleet he should be visible on any KM just like Bob1 shooting a ship and not killing him for the first time, once the guy gets reps and gets killed by Bob2, the first Bob can be in Jita and the second in Rens but both will be on the KM, this looks like stupid heh?
Ur235
Appetite 4 Destruction
#20 - 2011-12-05 15:34:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ur235
Im a regular logi user and I jost tend to put small drones in my drone bay set them to assist someone i know whos good and put the drones on defensive only so then my drones only ever attack what my gang mate and not fly around and attack every neut on the overview therefore most of the time the drones are always attacking whatever the primary is

Obviosly for something like an Oneiros or a Scimmy as you say you dont really get that luxury and you are generally burning away from the fight and your drone range most of the time is only 45km max so yeh i can see your problem. It would be nice and would probably get alot more people flying Logi ships aswell

hmm
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