EVE General Discussion

So when is the EVE UI going to get some more psssshhhh? The upcoming industry UI looks like it might have quite a lot of psssshhhh. I hope the main UI can get some. Lack of UI psssshhhh is one of the main deterrents to gaining new subscribers I think.

Don't get it twisted.

You don't treat people like that. Just because it happens to you and me every day of the week and probably 95% of the work force don't make it right.

Fat cat higher ups who are dumb as f*ck and throw blame on their subordinates are lame as hell.

The fact that you just blow off that concept makes me think your a lamer fat cat irl.

I don't know what the big deal is. Pssssshhh is the noise a can of quafe makes when opened. Perfectly ordinary jargon for a CCP employee.

Doom and gloom conjecture is nice and all

people are sick of the stagnation and impossible barrier to entry for null aka "real eve".
People have become burnt out after waiting years and years for their favourite ships to be made viable for playing in (and even then some of them are just crap still)
People are dropping their sub numbers thanks to high plex prices (which is a good thing in a lot of ways, less alts running on auto pilot means more real jobs being performed by unique players, in effect high plex prices make it easier for newbies to get some traction)
People are bored of running old missions and sig-sites. It's the same **** literally every single time. EVE is not something I personally ever expected to become routine but yet here it has. You reach this point in time where there's just no challenge any more.
Game mechanics favouring stationary groups ie gate camps. After 11 years gate camps are still the easiest way to catch targets. Yeah I get that they're artificial choke points but really people should be fighting in complexes or at structures not gates and stations.
Stupidly powerful levels of force projection. Bring a battleship fleet? They bring supers. Coincidentally i think jump range should decrease exponentially with the size of the ship. If a carrier can jump 11ly or whatever a titan should only be able to jump max 1 or 2.

and the list just goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on and on.

You are, totally crazy, and don't quite understand how this works

I think it is reasonable for people to be worried.

Over the last 12 months CCP have let go of a lot of great Devs, they have also lost a lots of great devs to other companies.

On top of this the PCU count is showing a downward trend. CCP have usually been quite open about subs numbers but now they have gone very quiet.

Now I am not saying is Eve is dying, however you can not say things are looking good.

I do not need to look at the PCU count to see these are not good, just last night I spent close to 3 hours (EU Prime time) flying around Great Wildlands, Scalding Pass, Wicked Creek and Detorid on an alt looking for Ghost Sites.

The most amount of people I saw in one system was 11. Most system were empty. I must of found at least 15 systems were there were over 15 cosmic anomalies.

I used to live in this area a just over a year ago and to fly around like I did and see as a few people as I did was just unthinkable.

Again I am not saying Eve is dying but neither would I say Eve is doing well, I suppose stagnating is the best word to describe Eve at the moment.

DO I have any faith in Eve's management to turn things around, well after what I have read over the last few days and CCP history, I am sorry to say no I do not.

I hope I am wrong, I hope in 12 months I can look bad and think lol, "I thought Eve was in trouble, what an idiot", but I don't think I will be doing.

I have a bad feeling the lore and live events element is going to suffer greatly.

And I must say, the "DropBear era of Live Events" will be remembered as the best and most epic time for live events. I think DropBear can write a book on "how to do it" and other MMOs could take that advice well. In a way, looking at the past covered in the linked articles, if we were wondering "what happened to live events", now we know what happened.

Let's just hope they didn't get rid of all the talent and are left with a empty shell of sycophants and yes-men that 'appeased' management enough to get skipped in the lay-offs.

I want to interject here and say that after 5 years I feel that EVE as a game is the best it's ever been. The long term damage that's surfacing now is a combination of too many years of neglect, people over-invested in the prebalance status quo and a lack of work being done on ways to make money in an engaging way.

The game is going to feel a bit homogenised at the end of rebalancing because it HAS to. Chess as a game has barely changed in hundreds of years and we accept it for what it is because it's internally very balanced (aside from obvious constraints and the fact that its turn based). EVE by comparison still allows for hundreds of possibilities on the field with obviously winning doctrines today being more than a manner of just cost efficiency or unbalanced modules. The fact that CFC switched from baltec to wrecking ball to omega fleet in a short time frame shows just how dynamic it can be.

The game survived for far too long on jesus-features and as was correctly predicted started to collapse under its own weight. It was a game built on unstable foundations and had too much crap hanging off the walls, EVE in 2009 was doomed to failure and managerial systems deciding on introducing crap like monocles was just the last straw.

Maybe CCP grew far too bloated, paying far too many people for sub-par products that were barely functional. Why is it then that a project like Valkyrie was able to inspire so much interest? I don't know who used to work there compared to who still does but I find it credulous at best your desire to state the game is dying just because people are leaving/being terminated. WW clearly hadn't done anything productive in what, 7 years? I would have axed them a long time ago.

I'm tired of seeing these same old arguments and points being thrown around. CCPs most major flaw since the beginning was that it has been mismanaged. The game is a good concept and its only recently that the true qualities it espouses are being brought out. WoW makes headlines for having subscriber counts, EVE makes headlines for activities its playerbase makes. Flash-in-pan MMOs are everywhere and people gobble them up but EVE endures due to imo a combination of the mysticism it inspires through its complexity and the very tangible sense of success we feel from risking something with real-world value in combat and winning.

I hope CCP continues to soul-search and prioritise fixing EVE before it throws too much money against the stiffer competition it will face in getting LEGION on its feet. EVE is an organism with so much potential still unrealised after an entire decade and can still live on despite this. Shedding some fat and getting bled a little will make them a leaner and meaner company no longer content on just passively raking in cash before being ganked like the PI haulers we love to toy with in game.

And I say this from the perspective of someone who plays probably less than 2hrs a day. EVE is special to me because it has a promise just not found inside other MMOs.

EvE is dying. ™ ®