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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1521 - 2014-06-03 18:44:31 UTC
Let it be repeated:

Gamers who value Graphics over Game-play, deserve neitherAttentionAttentionAttention

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1522 - 2014-06-03 18:48:51 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Let it be repeated:

Gamers who value Graphics over Game-play, deserve neitherAttentionAttentionAttention




Well, I downloaded the kronos update for EVE and checked out the Mordu battleship and was left wondering who designed this thing anyhow......It's horrible, looks like a flying pancake.
Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1523 - 2014-06-03 19:31:32 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Let it be repeated:

Gamers who value Graphics over Game-play, deserve neitherAttentionAttentionAttention




Well, I downloaded the kronos update for EVE and checked out the Mordu battleship and was left wondering who designed this thing anyhow......It's horrible, looks like a flying pancake.


I rather like it, reminds me of a manta ray and more of a manta ray than a pancake.

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."
Winterblink
#1524 - 2014-06-03 19:35:57 UTC
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:


The talent is there to create something awesome, and that's all you need to know....As for the Go/ no go launch, it'll be made tomorrow after Q/A found a few more critical bugs over the weekend testing, but they've been solved too....It's getting there.


Well, I would be lying if I didn't hope for another delay... how I would gloat.

So speaking of this, apparently they're still at their go/no-go meeting that has been going on for hours. To me, that reads like it's a no-go because if it was a go they'd have spent five minutes hi5ing each other, then back to their desks to push it out.

That or they're trying to figure out what issues they can get away with releasing.

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1525 - 2014-06-03 19:36:03 UTC
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Let it be repeated:

Gamers who value Graphics over Game-play, deserve neitherAttentionAttentionAttention




Well, I downloaded the kronos update for EVE and checked out the Mordu battleship and was left wondering who designed this thing anyhow......It's horrible, looks like a flying pancake.


I rather like it, reminds me of a manta ray and more of a manta ray than a pancake.



Looks so thin and fragile when looking it from head on, that most wouldn't call this a battleship designed to take at least some punishment.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#1526 - 2014-06-03 19:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Commissar Kate
Still waiting for a game with proper spaceships.

i.e. Flying saucers and black triangles with a dash of cigar shaped spacecraft.


Edit: oh wait that already exists.

-k8

My Fanclub
Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1527 - 2014-06-03 19:57:19 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Let it be repeated:

Gamers who value Graphics over Game-play, deserve neitherAttentionAttentionAttention




Well, I downloaded the kronos update for EVE and checked out the Mordu battleship and was left wondering who designed this thing anyhow......It's horrible, looks like a flying pancake.


I rather like it, reminds me of a manta ray and more of a manta ray than a pancake.



Looks so thin and fragile when looking it from head on, that most wouldn't call this a battleship designed to take at least some punishment.


Compare that to the ships of Star Citizen and explain to me how they are any more sensible when they are not?

As for what they (CCP art team) were thinking? I am guessing they drew inspiration from things like the B-2 bomber, the F-117 Nighthawk and the Visby-class corvette.

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#1528 - 2014-06-03 19:59:45 UTC
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Let it be repeated:

Gamers who value Graphics over Game-play, deserve neitherAttentionAttentionAttention




Well, I downloaded the kronos update for EVE and checked out the Mordu battleship and was left wondering who designed this thing anyhow......It's horrible, looks like a flying pancake.


I rather like it, reminds me of a manta ray and more of a manta ray than a pancake.



Looks so thin and fragile when looking it from head on, that most wouldn't call this a battleship designed to take at least some punishment.


Compare that to the ships of Star Citizen and explain to me how they are any more sensible when they are not?

As for what they (CCP art team) were thinking? I am guessing they drew inspiration from things like the B-2 bomber, the F-117 Nighthawk and the Visby-class corvette.



this, the legion ships look awesome

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#1529 - 2014-06-03 20:00:46 UTC
Winterblink wrote:
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:


The talent is there to create something awesome, and that's all you need to know....As for the Go/ no go launch, it'll be made tomorrow after Q/A found a few more critical bugs over the weekend testing, but they've been solved too....It's getting there.


Well, I would be lying if I didn't hope for another delay... how I would gloat.

So speaking of this, apparently they're still at their go/no-go meeting that has been going on for hours. To me, that reads like it's a no-go because if it was a go they'd have spent five minutes hi5ing each other, then back to their desks to push it out.

That or they're trying to figure out what issues they can get away with releasing.



yea i was wondering that too, the meeting was early morning there time, which i assume is PST. its already 1pm here in cali.. so.. yea.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1530 - 2014-06-03 20:08:00 UTC
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Let it be repeated:

Gamers who value Graphics over Game-play, deserve neitherAttentionAttentionAttention




Well, I downloaded the kronos update for EVE and checked out the Mordu battleship and was left wondering who designed this thing anyhow......It's horrible, looks like a flying pancake.


I rather like it, reminds me of a manta ray and more of a manta ray than a pancake.



Looks so thin and fragile when looking it from head on, that most wouldn't call this a battleship designed to take at least some punishment.


Compare that to the ships of Star Citizen and explain to me how they are any more sensible when they are not?

As for what they (CCP art team) were thinking? I am guessing they drew inspiration from things like the B-2 bomber, the F-117 Nighthawk and the Visby-class corvette.



No matter which one you pick, they look quite a bit beefier since the design mantra is " Form follows function", which makes sense since the interior of the ship is modeled and people have to move about and execute their respective responsibilities.


The examples you quote are perfect to depict the above idea since they're all stealth ships designed not to be seen above all else and attack as will, not something that has to take hits in a firefight like a battleship does, like one of these:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg/470px-BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg
Winterblink
#1531 - 2014-06-03 20:18:12 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
The examples you quote are perfect to depict the above idea since they're all stealth ships designed not to be seen above all else and attack as will, not something that has to take hits in a firefight like a battleship does, like one of these:

There's also an element of scale that you're missing here. Thin and stealthy for a fighter jet is one thing, but that battleship is considerably larger. You see it as "thin" when it probably is a hull with several decks within it.

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Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1532 - 2014-06-03 20:29:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Aspalis
digitalwanderer wrote:

No matter which one you pick, they look quite a bit beefier since the design mantra is " Form follows function", which makes sense since the interior of the ship is modeled and people have to move about and execute their respective responsibilities.


The examples you quote are perfect to depict the above idea since they're all stealth ships designed not to be seen above all else and attack as will, not something that has to take hits in a firefight like a battleship does, like one of these:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg/470px-BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg


Two things, you are forgetting scale and while the Iowa-class is a beast, she is outgunned and outmatched by anything that a) carries a battery of anti-ship missiles (like the monstrous Kirov-class) and\or b) got a nuclear warhead of a kiloton.

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1533 - 2014-06-03 20:30:07 UTC
Winterblink wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:
The examples you quote are perfect to depict the above idea since they're all stealth ships designed not to be seen above all else and attack as will, not something that has to take hits in a firefight like a battleship does, like one of these:

There's also an element of scale that you're missing here. Thin and stealthy for a fighter jet is one thing, but that battleship is considerably larger. You see it as "thin" when it probably is a hull with several decks within it.



According to the description, it is 1700 meters long, and it might be 100~200 meters on the thickest centerline part of it so there's enough for several decks for sure, but there are the outer edges that seem to be much thinner than that middle portion.


Maybe Mordu's are confident their shields will hold and never put the armor to the test, but comparing it to other ships in eve, pretty much all other battleships from every race look like tanks where the user can imagine it being 50 decks thick or more, at least visually.


I still remember when EVE used to have the ship stats for how many people were onboard the NPC battleships, and roughly 5000 to 6000 people are onboard....The pod piloted versions are much less of course, but the ship is still the same visually in terms of size.....Could you imagine 6000 people on board that Mordu ship?
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1534 - 2014-06-03 20:32:51 UTC
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:

No matter which one you pick, they look quite a bit beefier since the design mantra is " Form follows function", which makes sense since the interior of the ship is modeled and people have to move about and execute their respective responsibilities.


The examples you quote are perfect to depict the above idea since they're all stealth ships designed not to be seen above all else and attack as will, not something that has to take hits in a firefight like a battleship does, like one of these:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg/470px-BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg


Two things, you are forgetting scale and while the Iowa class is a beast, she is outgunned and outmatched by anything that a) carries a battery of anti-ship missiles (like the monstrous Kirov-class) and\or b) got a nuclear warhead of a kiloton.



The last refit of the iowa before being put out of commission has 32 tomahawk missiles, which an unknown number was nuclear tipped....I wouldn't be taking bets on that outcome, as all ships would be destroyed more likely than not.
Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1535 - 2014-06-03 20:40:14 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
Aspalis wrote:
digitalwanderer wrote:

No matter which one you pick, they look quite a bit beefier since the design mantra is " Form follows function", which makes sense since the interior of the ship is modeled and people have to move about and execute their respective responsibilities.


The examples you quote are perfect to depict the above idea since they're all stealth ships designed not to be seen above all else and attack as will, not something that has to take hits in a firefight like a battleship does, like one of these:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg/470px-BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg


Two things, you are forgetting scale and while the Iowa class is a beast, she is outgunned and outmatched by anything that a) carries a battery of anti-ship missiles (like the monstrous Kirov-class) and\or b) got a nuclear warhead of a kiloton.



The last refit of the iowa before being put out of commission has 32 tomahawk missiles, which an unknown number was nuclear tipped....I wouldn't be taking bets on that outcome, as all ships would be destroyed more likely than not.


You are seriously comparing a cruise missile to anti-ship missiles? Ask anyone that served with the British Navy how they liked being showered by Exocet missiles during the Falklands.

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1536 - 2014-06-03 20:46:29 UTC
Aspalis wrote:


You are seriously comparing a cruise missile to anti-ship missiles? Ask anyone that served with the British Navy how they liked being showered by Exocet missiles during the Falklands.



True, Exocet missile is made to sink ships, but doing that to a battleship with a 15 inch armor belt isn't the average target to say the least...Most cruisers and frigates and destroyers have 2 to 4 inch armor at most..


Remember the USS cole when that rubber boat parked along it's side and detonated, causing a pretty big mess to the ship and killing 17 marines.....Try to pull that stunt off exactly the same way on the iowa and you'd barely scratch the paint.
Winterblink
#1537 - 2014-06-03 20:55:28 UTC
digitalwanderer wrote:
I still remember when EVE used to have the ship stats for how many people were onboard the NPC battleships, and roughly 5000 to 6000 people are onboard....The pod piloted versions are much less of course, but the ship is still the same visually in terms of size.....Could you imagine 6000 people on board that Mordu ship?

Well it's not like the Legion is an empire-sized faction, now is it? Besides, with regards to the toughness of a ship based on its design, it's a silly discussion to have when we're talking about technology thousands of years beyond our understanding with regards to engineering and metallurgy.

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digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1538 - 2014-06-03 21:03:50 UTC
Winterblink wrote:

Well it's not like the Legion is an empire-sized faction, now is it? Besides, with regards to the toughness of a ship based on its design, it's a silly discussion to have when we're talking about technology thousands of years beyond our understanding with regards to engineering and metallurgy.



True, they are thousands of years in advance, but that's what I compared them with the ships available in game before it's release, which are also thousands of years in advance too.


Compare the Mordu one with the Amaar abbadon and they're both battleships, but which the latter looks like it could take a beating before going down, so unless Mordu have some super evolved metallurgy well beyond the amaar technology, who are armor tankers to boot, it's design is original but functional it isn't.



On the note of star citizen, seems ben lesnick has closed the thread and we'll know later today, but he did say a launch meeting has taken place, but not "the" launch meeting that makes the final call.
digitalwanderer
DW inc
#1539 - 2014-06-03 21:11:17 UTC
"The" launch meeting has started now.....
Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1540 - 2014-06-03 21:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Aspalis
digitalwanderer wrote:
Aspalis wrote:


You are seriously comparing a cruise missile to anti-ship missiles? Ask anyone that served with the British Navy how they liked being showered by Exocet missiles during the Falklands.



True, Exocet missile is made to sink ships, but doing that to a battleship with a 15 inch armor belt isn't the average target to say the least...Most cruisers and frigates and destroyers have 2 to 4 inch armor at most..


Remember the USS cole when that rubber boat parked along it's side and detonated, causing a pretty big mess to the ship and killing 17 marines.....Try to pull that stunt off exactly the same way on the iowa and you'd barely scratch the paint.


Yes, the Iowa is very heavily armored for her generation but that won't save her from a nuke or a modern anti-ship systems. Even the US Navy' rail gun prototype would cause serious damage, imagine what a sabot fired at those speeds would do.

I do remember the attack on USS Cole and while it is tragic that 17 servicemen lost their lives, it is fortunately that the terrorists went with a big pile of explosives rather than a shaped charge. The outcome would have been even more catastrophic.

edit: I have to correct myself, I did some checking and there is a anti-ship version of the Tomahawk and while it is more of a traditional cruise missile still, it is one nasty mofo that packs a serious wallop.

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."