Wormholes

Wtf really lets think about this for one sec what is a wh? It's a distortion in real space of large proportion so to say that your inboard scanner shouldn't be able to see that is kinda dumb actually it's fing stupid but ok I'll give you that but then to say that not even probes can find it until a undetermined amount of time is an epic fail, I can't understand why ccp would even think about this it violates common since and scan mechs,as well as any realism.I find it frustrating it seems to me that ccp should try an fix null sec if there worried about site farming an far play an wanna make eve more dangerous what's safe an more bear then having a blue blob of 40k members bot ratting null with 0 risk no random spawns no system events nothing at all exempt a free pass from ccp it's the larges space in eve an it's broken to **** an has been for years.But in the end I know that fixin null is taboo to ccp an everyone else is open season,In the end I'm a WHer so bring it on ccp we will adapt that's what wh is all about




Concord ain't Coming......

Absolutely and criminals should have a chance to warp and cause mayhem in HS too (imho ).

But the delayed appearance in LS and especially in NS should be the way. Maybe even untill a gate is passed or ship comes under a certain number of AU from any gates and/or sov structures (or from a NEW unheard of yet mobile structures, only available in NS? While as for LS it could be centered on the gates and stations? (e.g.: you entered LS system from WH and don't appear in local unless you decloak and are at less then 5 AUs from any gates and/or stations. / you enter NS from WH and this particular system doesn't have the sov or mobile structure to "scan" spaceship activities and until you warp on grid of a gate or station, you are "invisible" in local but if said system as the particular module to "scan" for ship, you appear in local either immediately or at the same time your jump in cloak timer wears off.) This would not only create another module one can produce and trade but also greatly improove WH traffic as NS alliances would try to use this at their advantages; getting ganked by WH corps while trying to gank their NS ennemies.

Also, as someone stipulate, maybe the K162 signals should be invisible from the passive scan but be scanable from the begining wit probes, why it wouldn't show on your probes if they are scanning I can't see the logic. Heck, I would much rater have it that NO signals appears without probes, unless maybe the anomalies?

Definitively would improve PVP and render PI fetching a little bit more interresting

^that would work as well but most ppl might see it as to dramatic

While I like some of the idea's as someone that has lived in wormhole's since late 2009.

I must disagree with the proposed fix.

What is needed is to put things back the way they were pre- Odyssey.

The overlay while it is pretty.
It causes more problems than it solves in wh space.

So to be clear while you can leave the overlay in for the Cosmic Anomaly.
Grav sites in holes should be made Cosmic Signature's again that require probes.

As for Cosmic Signatures they will require probes to be detected and the automatic overlay should not detect them.

My proposal should only apply to the overlay in wh space only.
It should be left alone in the rest of EvE space.

that's a great idea... perhaps to simplify it:

Signature is appears when wormhole is traveled thru IE: in and out

The overlay doesn't make sense in wormhole space.

In K-Space, you've probably got all the random vessels sending a ping out to figure out roughly where a signature is coming from, or at least in high-sec from all the police and structures.

But in W-Space, theres no local, so why should there be a cosmic overlay. I'd honestly rather have the overlay show bookmarks in a wormhole rather than anomalies/signatures, otherwise why would we even need to launch probes if our ships can already detect exactly where the signature is coming from?

I vote for no overlay in Wormhole. Make exploration mean something!

Or simply make it that anoms with zero per cent signatures do not show on the overview, the overlay or anywhere else in the user interface, make it so that scan probing can only uncover them and that they only show up in the probe scanner and overlay at 1% or above.

how can something possibly have a 0% signature when you can see it in the overlay, and know what direction it's in and how far away it is?

Some of these 0 percent anoms you can practically fly up to, only needing probes when you are right on top of them.

Make zero percent undetectable without probes, a simple and easy fix.

Going to point out: This is a two edge sword. It can be used for cowardice as easily as combat.

For those who don't do a lot of PVE especially, it's going to remove yet more risk. Though there is little to begin with.
So now when I roll a hole, I can decide if I want to fight who's there. If they look to strong, I can have that hole rolled before they even know I was there.

There is already a massive advantage to those who discover their enemy first. This just tips the scales unnecessarily. Now there will be almost no threat to the players in motion.

Additionally, it's going to drive miners completely out of wormhole space. If they aren't already almost completely gone. Which they probably are. I know that the last change of this type (making grav sigs into ore anoms) had the opposite effect from what was intended. Instead of deluging us with tons of fresh and helpless miner kills, it caused the miners to either become ludicrously cautious, or to leave wormhole space altogether. These days I can fly 20 jumps through WH space without seeing a single miner.

GG

if you do this you need to make ore sites sigs again and possibly combat sites also at the very minimum.

Might as well remove d-scan while you are it then make sigs, towers and ships only discoverable by probes.