Science & Industry

Wow, such a witty retort! Same we're not in school really.

And how about you respond to the actual post. If I'm the one here talking BS, why did the "we have no plans" post get changes to say "no immediate plans"? If there's no long term plans, the original text would have held. The only reason for the change is if they were told in the background that there are in fact long term plans to remove T2 BPOs. It really doesn't matter how much you kick and scream and try to attack me personally (poorly), the facts will not change.

Maybe you should actually watch the industry panel, then it might make sense. He clearly stated they would go down in value. He clearly stated they don;t wnat to take them away and say screw you, there would be a transitional plan. Take that in context. He means a transitional plan to take them away. Or maybe you though he meant "we wont take them away and just say screw you, there will be a transitional plan into keeping them around forever, so no transitional plan at all". Seriously guy, I shouldnt have to walk you step by step though common sense.

Actually, thanks to eve-search we can see exactly what was edited. And no, the 2 statements do not mean the same thing, and if they did, why edit them? IT was edited because "we have no plans" is false. They have no plans to do it right now, but they certainly have long term plans to do it.


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I have no "rage" against T2 BPO owners, I couldn't care less what you want to invest your isk in. For most T2 BPOs, if the same isk was invested in plex, the profits would be far superior, since they take so long just to eek out some profit. Anyone getting on the bandwagon in the past few years was making an incredible mistake.

All I'm doing here is pointing out the facts. If T2s weren't holding back changes to invention ( a live mechanic) I wouldn't really care less about them. But you are filled with rage here, because you are scared that your already crappy investments are going to love value, and they will, CCP stated that in the industry panel quite clearly (go check).

And by the way, if you've made investments into T2s, and you don't know you own profit margins off of them, then you are hardly an authority on long term economics. I've had a look through your posts. All you tend to do is jump into posts and badmouth people with for the most part complete nonsense arguments. If you want to actually address any of the points made in this thread, go ahead, but just going "NOPE!" then babbling off paragraphs of schoolyard style arguments in broken English isn't really proving any kind of point.

Then finally, like I've said multiple times. If you don;t believe me, then by all means invest in as many T2 BPOs as you want. I really don't care if you investment value drops to zero because you were too dumb to read what CCP are quite clearly stating. when they do remove them and you start spewing off mountains of sperg rage at them, I'll be able to link you back to your own posts here and say "told you so". So thanks for that.

Nobody is saying T2 BPOs are "the problem", at lease not in the way you mean. The issue is that changes to invention mechanics that affect the BPCs will also affect T2 BPOs, so CCP have to carefully work around them. Removing them is the simplest way to separate out invention short of making the BPOs and BPCs not affect each other (which CCP said they definitely will not do).

And they are cutting invention waste from 50% to between 2% and 5%. Expect invented BPCs to become considerably more competitive.

So you made a bad investment. Nobody is saying anything is your fault, and theres no blame being cast about. The idea of removing T2 BPOs is not a personal crusade against the owners, it's simply the way forward. Invention is the new mechanic for T2 production, and the BPOs are going to become redundant at some point.

So it is invention's fault you have terrible BPOs?

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Seriously guy, how many times are you going to come back with the same stuff with still absolutely zero backing it. Every day CCP posts more and more to state the decrease in T2 BPO value and their inevitable demise and you continue to bury your head. It's got to the point now that I honestly can;t wait for the day they nuke them into the ground, just so I can see you freak out all over the forum, and I'll simply say "I told you so".

And no, that's not the profit margin of a product, but that's not what were talking about is it? We're talking ROI. Most T2 BPOs would take years to gain a substantial return, so if they only have, lets say for example, 2 years remaining, the chances are any T2 BPO now would never break even. You guys overly inflated these products, and with the industry release, the T2 BPOs will be around 5% better material efficiency than invented BPOs (compared to the current 50%). Can you seriously not see how that might affect their value, and the level of profit they can sustain?

Removing T2bpos is the most idiotic idea ever. But the mads and poors will never understand that.

Hmm, Lucas, I am not convinced yet. Will T2 BPOs be removed? What do you say? (Don't pay attention to devs' statements)

You're putting words in my mouth, I fully support CCP bringing T2 BPOs in line with invention, or vice versa. All I am trying to provide is historical context, and point out that there are benefits to having T2 BPOs continue in some respects. Such as continuous supply keeping prices reasonable, and giving manufacturers a solo endgame. I personally think BPOs should be nerfed to the point where the only benefit they offer over invention is less clicks, and inventors have a (extremely small though compounded with repeated efforts) chance to get them though their normal invention process. Merely removing T2 BPOs entirely would be a waste of what could be a more rewarding system for inventors.

Nah, not buying it. There's nothing 'redundant' about T2 BPOs, the argument you should be making is that they cause disruption in potential markets for invention. Should that aspect be reduced? Yeah probably, though you're going to have a hard time finding people to make certain items without BPO influence.

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