Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Except it doesnt do anything of the sort. It lets them end the fight by pressing a button, as opposed to now where you have to end the fight by piloting or deagressing on a gate/station. If you want to have a chance to kill a kiter, you still have to slingshot it.

Ocasionaly? How many tiemsyou see battleships without MJD nowadays? oo yes almost never

And i can reprase your sentence for more accuracy :

Users of --low-commitment tactics-- inteligent tactic that prioritize the ability to --run away-- control the fight over the --ability to hold their target-- stupidity of pressing approach and f1 , will occasionally lose kills when fighting a --small-- MAJOR subset of ships because they --were afraid to risk-- have brains and do not want to fall for baits that will then be joined by a large blob waiting

if you are referring to combat battle cruisers than yes this is a bit excessive. However attack battle cruisers, battleships, and some T2 cruisers, can be very effective at these ranges. So the difference between wanting 50/100km MJD is who you think is most likely to appear, and how much breathing room you want in case you need to gtfo.

You also have to remember that a 50km jump allows you to use the mmjd as more of an offensive positional tool. For example, you can pounce on top of logi, recons, people who are burning away from your gang to secure points on them. It also preserves the mmjd as an escape tool, allowing you to remove yourself from the opponents longpoint and warp off.

Im wondering what the exact logic behind the 'it lets you get out from battleships' argument is because as far as I know large micro jump drives also have a 100km range so they can just mjd back on top of you and it does not change the situation where you are remarkably close to a battleship.

I do see the argument of getting out of bombs and bubbles, though bombs only have a 15km radius (total 30km diameter) explosion so 50km should be more than enough to get out of a bomb run. I am not sure how common it is to quickly set up a field of bubbles 50km+ long, but it seems unrealistic to me so you should be able to remove your fleet from a field of bubbles and warp off/reposition from there.

I would love to see more arguments on how 100km jump is superior to a 50km just based on bc engagement ranges (especially now that abcs wont be using them) as well as how 100km would be superior as an offensive position tool. As far as arguments presented in the thread, there seem to be far more showing that a 50km jump would ultimately give pilots more options than a 100km jump.

Maybe the answer is to release variants of the MJD. not sure what the naming convention would be but there could be MJD's that run either 50km or 100km.


Although tbh I suspect that the reason people are suggesting 50 is to nerf it against anti-kiting setups as Ishtars are typically at the 70- to 80km range or there about. Can't wait to see someone drop a fleet of BCs on ishtars at zero. they might actually get scrammed....

100km jump range please.

If Ishtars are typically at 70-80km, how do they tackle? Most kiting systems would struggle much worse against a 50km jump... the brawler could jump straight into where the kiter is heading and would have far more chance of landing tackle before the kiter counter pilots away. It would also allow a kiter who is paying enough attention a more realistic opportunity to burn roughly where the target is going to land. Which is why I said I think it has more combat application than the 100km one which the majority of time is just used as a way to avoid dying.

Ok theres a good argument if ishtars are 70-80k away and you jump 100km, they are now 20-30k away. If you jump 50km they are...20-30k away. You also have to remember that unlike battleships, bcs don't have great projection. You start reaching the end of your damage at 40-50km. Also linked heated rf point range is 40somethingkm. so as was pointed out above, how are you being pointed by these ishtars from 70-80k, you should be able to warp off, land at 0 and possibly mjd in front of or on top of them as they burn out. If they are within linked rf point range you land on top of them and theres a good chance that they are going to be in a bad position once that happens.

Realistically bcs do not have the projection to be able to deal with your example of ishtars well, regardless of how far the mjd gets you. I would suggest mjd pulse apocs using scorch as you get to hit them for actual damage from 70-80km and are able to mjd closer if they want to try to burn outside of your hull bonused projection range. They also have a tracking bonus for when you land close to them and are likely to be hitting their lowest resist. That's the best solution to your Ishtar problem I can think of.

Back to mmjds, I feel 50km is going to be far more effective against recons, linked kiters, and logi as well as not shooting you too far past your own logi. Bcs don't have the buffer of battleships and while command ships may pull it off, going that long without logi in an aggressive 100km jump will lose you potentially more than you stand to gain. 50km jump allows your logi to actually keep up easily so you aren't going to be guaranteed to lose people if you want to be aggressive.

And this does nothing to stop it as a retreat module, you can just as easily turn around, mjd and warp off somewhere to get out of point range, even from recons since recons generally wont want to be within 40km of you and many recons aren't going to have 90km+ points.

You hardly see battleships at all outside of fleets and station games. If battleships are getting away from you due to MJDs, try scramming them



You could've just said you want to be able to run away because you're not clever enough to commit intelligently. Everyone would understand.

What would be really cool is if you could select jump range, same as with warping.

With disruptors becoming more and more useless.

Will you be increasing the range of scrams to compensate?