EVE General Discussion

Yeah Shooting in Face featuers are high on thier cooking list now. expect the next eve expansion to be more paper cuts and smaller refinements.

I can't get over the constant whining I am hearing from paste-eating cowards and fanbois about people like me who are solely responsible for all the good stuff you are enjoying in the latest expansion.

Since you didn't have the balls to stand up to CCP when the summer of rage was going on and were happy to let them continue neglecting EVE, as I said back then, now that we bitter vets have saved hangars, "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very hangar I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way."

Since it is not relevant to the topic, I most certainly will.

Instead, I'm going to ask you this: why can you not conceive of the notion that people look at the numbers — 70 developers for WiS + 20 developers for FiS — and then think to themselves “hey, maybe those 20 could use a bit of help… in fact, why the hell is there only 20 people working on that and nearly four times as many working on Incarna?!”? Why is it so hard for you to believe that people are/were raging about this allocation of resources and that they would have preferred to see more (if not all) of those people woking on FiS?

In short: why are you so absolutely determined that the 70/20 allocation must be seen as given, and that the skew must absolutely not be seen as, oh, 25 people being “stolen” from FiS (giving a 45/45 split instead), thus incurring an opportunity cost in terms of FiS features not being worked on?
Ok, so you still haven't understood the concept of opportunity cost. Jeez.

The actual question is: how does hiring a new separate team of devs and not letting them work on FiS hurt the production of FiS features? Well, obviously, it means that FiS is not getting as many resources as it could have been given; fewer FiS features are given dev time than what is possible; an opportunity to work on FiS is missed. We incur a FiS-feature opportunity cost. And that is what people have been bitching about for, oh, the last two years.

BS, i was there in the summer of rage. but for me it was a year before you ever stood up to face CCP.

And this summer was no different. It's not a whine about Wis, it's a whine about releasing unfinished content, feature abandonment, and ignoring the playerbase.

What came out this expansion should of came out years ago. it just took us forcing ccp to see the way they were going was bad and we weren't going to take it.

I am fully in support of this expansion, and the next one going back and finishing unfinished expansions. WiS has to be put on hold because of the non-WiS devs leaving large parts of the game unfinished and neglected.

Walking in Stations biggest hurdels was getting it to work then making it fun.

Well its working for now and getting better.

Now the ultimate question is...

How to make it fun?

This will be by far the hardest feature to impliment in eve is making walking in stations a desirable action to engage in every so often.

Should there be PVP? What type?
Economy Infrastructure Stores stuff to do in stations?
UI interfaces prices profitability?

I have mine on because I do have an easily bored mind which consideres the inquaters TV enough of a distraction while I update my market orders. Beyond that I have no other real reason to be in a station.

Ultimately I would have to call Carbonization of Eve one of the largest undertakings of any mmo I ever heard of. It would be like patching everquest 1 into everquest 2 instead of making it a seperate game. Its also where I suscpect where most of the eve core teams was working on.

The only real resources Walking in station ate from eve core teams was probably the Networking team and Technical Artisans who are better at tweaking shadows and lights and reducing FPS requirements. For the network side I know that the Sol Node is not on the same one as the "terra" (since I dont know the name of it Ill call it that its opposite enough) nodes so conversations must be had between the two in order for it to work better. Which is why TTA (time to action) was so low when Incarna first came out but now TTA is faster than the loading of the envrionment and I hope that TTA will eventually match static/regular hangers.


I do know that FW improvements are on the horizion now, somone has datamined out new navy battleships and battlecruisers (a first?) and there are talks about letting allaicnes finally join up. The FW wars are about to get real serious business soon enough.

The understatement of this thread.

There is no evidence that this is so. All we currently have are single player CQs (that are still in beta state to boot).

I agree that the singleplayer CQs are getting better both visually and performance wise.

However you misunderstand what WIS is. It is a MUTLIPLAYER avatar-based game that allows inter-player interaction inside the station interiors. Sort of like the 'spaceship game' except inside and with walking chars (sans the shooting at each other, at first). This requires much much more than pretty graphics. And we have absolutely no evidence that any of that even exists.

Nah. What boggles the mind is why they scrapped it and started over…

that's basically what i said.... we really do work on separate wavelengths don't we. When we agree you're still like, Nope, your wrong.


The features I got to try were, seeing multiple avatars, walking *was slooooow, needed more travel options"

the awesome board game with a UI that you could click from any angle. It was amazing. Able to bet ships and isk and contracts.

They even had a captains quarter lol.

and it was awesome. limited, but honestly enough for me if it was the 1st release.

How many avatars? Were they other players or NPCs? How could you tell? How was collision avoidance handled? Was there anything besides the board game to interact with? Voice?

Whatever the answers, what we saw on the fanfest videos at the time looked like a mockup demonstration, a very early alpha. The fact that it was scrapped isn't necessarily a bad thing, it may actually mean that that tech was a dead end.