Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fozzie pls go.

"I want to encourage industry in nullsec."

"Let's make nullsec logistics more costly, difficult, and risky."

even with the reduced hull values?

I love the fact that we will be able to customize the freighters now but being able to customize them to current or slightly better levels at a much higher cost doesn't make much sense. My basic observation of the numbers without doing any math maybe complete wrong but it looks like this is a major nerf.
So the question is then, did freighters require a nerf? Were they too OP in the current form?

*clears throat*

Told you so.

This is exactly what everyone of us who was against this idea said was going to happen. It really shouldn't be any surprise.


Should be. The Providence gets an 18% reduction in hull; each T1 hull rig gives a 20% bonus. You should be able to squeeze another 50k EHP out three of them. I haven't checked whether bumping its armour might give you more, though.

the changes to freighters I get and it makes a bit of sense .. the JF changes are completely stupid.

I get it you are adding rigs and making players chose current cargo hold size or agility but not both, BUT the fuel consumption changes are again stupid.

What is the thinking behind this? Truly if you wanted to nerf it to this level you would've had to given it something grandiose like 2 low slots 2 medium slots and 1 high slot along with the 2 rigs, OR giving JF an added Mineral only hold so that it can move processed minerals without having to compress ore or put into modules.

Again the fuel nerf why? It is not like the JF had the long legs of a carrier to begin with ..... dumb

Rigs add a percentage value. The providence has 2.5 as much hull as armor and a t1 resist profile. So yeah, it's not even a contest unless you fly around with a maxed armor boost alt.

I agree that they are a bit o/p and can avoid most entanglements - however the change they are making is not the only one - its the 50% increase in fuel costs coupled with a nerf to their cargo that has me wondering. That change was to help offset the POS changes they fear on the isotope markets - but has the net effect of driving up the price of all goods in null. Yes we will be making more things there - but logistics are not done with small haulers or regular freighters roaming about - lets face it the only way to get things around null is to jump.

Its basically going to make any new/small renter corps have to spend even more than they do now.

Not everyone in null has the luxury of a fully stocked station next to their home - though the proliferation of stations these last few years is making that less and less - i still think that raising the costs of living in null will not attract more people out.

They are modifying soooo many industrial things that each have dependencies upon other parts of the game. And these changes were thankfully rolled back to a later release - they are not even on SISi yet for testing.

Im fine with raising the price of everything I sell

They still have the velocity bonus.... which is *mostly* useless.

oh yay my Freighter goes 100m/s. Yay. Totally could use that bonus over say, an agility or mass bonus to make FLYING a freighter less than soul crushingly boring.

I was excited for these changes, and then suddenly I was not. :(

Great, so if you're wanting to go for cargohold over align time and use Capital Cargohold Optimization rigs, you get to sacrifice a bunch of armor HP too. I know they have the biggest cargoholds to begin with, but considering Fozzie is shaving a bunch of HP from hull and adding it to shields and/or armor, it feels like he's trying to force everyone into a Charon or Rhea.



Yeah, and the 50% increase in fuel usage is already huge for anyone flying the damn things, the fact they're making you have to get T2 capital rigs (because making people shell out for T2 large rigs isn't enough) just to undo one of Fozzie's nerfs is a huge finger up to anyone who owns a jump freighter, let alone a regular one.