Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So how much DPS are they going to have to tank/dish out when d-plexing?

Sure, but making a macro to handle that + dealing with rat respawns would be a pain, and I don't think would become common.

None, but D-plexing already carries a 25% LP penalty and is scaled by system contested percentage. Combined, these significantly decrease plexing income.

Those numbers look pretty solid to me at first glance. Stabbed frigates will still be able to run Novices pretty easily, but Smalls and above will be a much more difficult hurdle for the most part.

Mediums will be challenging to a lot of PvP fit frigates, and Larges will be challenging to anything less than gank fit destroyers.

An encouraging first pass.

Now, about that FW destruction dev blog....

If you look at the DPS numbers, your typical stabbed alt won't be able to run anything bigger than the smalls, most likely - and those would be a stretch for most fits. Mediums will be a challenge for most T1 frigates (i.e. general buffer tank), since the 150dps to clear Mediums is relatively high for anything not running blasters or non-faction frigates.

This will put a significant dent in plexing income. At the moment, running 1 novice / small / medium per hour in a single system will net you about 52k LP/hour at Tier 2, which is the "baseline" for FW. That's pretty easy to manage even in quad-stabbed setups currently, or via the "clear with main, run with alt" method. With these changes, you can't simply clear with your main and run with the alt - the rats respawn, so you've got to return every 1.5-5 minutes to clear them out again with your main.

With the higher DPS hurdles, you're relegated to basically competing over Novices. That means that the farmer who used to hole up in one system now needs to roam through 4-5 to keep a roughly even income level. With 5-6 spawns per timer on average (initial plus 4-5 respawns), you'll be dedicating more time to killing the rats as well.

Taken together, even if you could run Novices uncontested over 4 systems, you'd still only be getting 40kish LP/hour at the best of times. That's a 20%+ reduction in income from that alone, and requires a lot more attention (unless you're in a Tristan of course). Add in the fact that all the current farmers now need to roam, and therefore are competing for resources, and it seems likely to significantly impact AFK plexing income.

In addition, with the high DPS hurdles for Mediums and Larges (ESPECIALLY for Larges) I think we'll start seeing more AFs / Dessies / Cruisers roaming about. Hitting the 300DPS hurdle for Larges is not easy in anything less than gank fit destroyers or cruisers.

There are frigates that do over 400 dps

So FW complexes are a PvE activity and all the talk about easily accessible solo/smallgang PvP was bluff and blunder. Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

Nobody goes out to PvP and PvE at the same time. You either fit for evasion and look to farm, or fit for PvP and farming bores you to tears. So long as evasion is still a route to success, FW complexes will remain a joke for satisfying PvP.

they won't alter anything. all they do is to make plexing more annoying for everybody involved. Doesn't matter if you pvp or farm.

CCP:

Those tanking numbers are still way too low:

Small - 125DPS (Destoyers/AF/Pure PvP frigates)
Medium - 300 DPS (Cruisers)
Large - 500 DPS (Big Boys)

I see that you style yuourself a 'Factional Warfare' representative. If that's the case, then you already know it won't do **** to the 'farming landscape.'