Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Please. Systems were pushed and warzone control ebbed and flowed a long time before Inferno and the farming hordes. What we have right now is not dynamism- it's exhaustion. On the Amarr/ Minmatar front one side is tier four and the other is tier one. Flip every three months. Many of the veterans don't even log on anymore. Groups should be spread throughout the warzone. They can't do that because farmers will literally farm the systems out from under them while they sleep. Living in Egg and sallying forth once a day is not what FW is supposed to be.

I think you're misunderstanding the problem here. It is because of farmers there is no desire to really control the war zone. What is the point of capturing a system when you know 2-3 days later it will be vulnerable agan? That is a problem caused by farmers. If they didn't have such an impact, then yes I would be willing to go out and capture the 5 or so systems around my HQ, but as it is currently, I would be spending every waking minute running defensive plexes in those 5 systems. The active systems that we care to defend are the ones where we can get fights. Those "back water" systems are pointless at this stage because of how easily they be flipped by the hordes.

Interesting side thought. They should introduce plexes in player owned nullsec and let that be the mechanics for system capture. You have to install the upgrades in the ihub and then donate LP to get the level up to get the benefits from the upgrades you installed. Players can then run the plexes in player owned sov to make LP with the pirate factions that "owned" the space. i.e. Vale of the Silent has Guristas so players would get Guristas LP. Only players who aren't apart of the alliance that currently owns the system would qualify for LP and there would be no defensive LP rewarded since Guristas want their space back! All sites captured in a system would "steal" LP from the hub reducing the benefits system wide. Would certainly limit the desire to have a wall of blue that is nullsec today and add a lot more instant player conflict instead of alarm clocking final station timersIdea

EDIT: (troll comment, read with a grain of salt and smile) haha then I could stick my no SP alt out in nullsec and see how the nullbears like their sov being affected so easily!

I'd be willing to bet the isk made from 99% of these farmers isn't going back into FW, it's going into RMT.

Nulbear hears about FW isk, makes alt, doesn't participate with any other characters.
Highbear hears about FW isk, makes alt, doesn't participate with any other characters.

I mean, just look at the number of real FW players that have participated, then grinded for titans, then left for nul.

Heck, let me spawn as a FW rat and I'll fix the problem.

I like this suggestion but I think there is another causal driver at work in FW.

The biggest threat to FW players while plexing is not other FW players but of course, non-FW pirates who make a sport of killing FW farmers for fun. They of course do this in specialised ships with specialised boosters sitting at the station or in a deep safe.

In addition to fixing the issue in the plex itself, there needs to be a downside to a pirate attacking a FW player, and an upside to the FW player in killing pirates.

My immediate thought here is that aggressing a FW pilot should make the aggressor a semi-permanent enemy of the faction, and all FW pilots in the faction should issued a mandate to bring the scumbag to justice , with an LP bounty paid for his ship and an even higher one paid for his pod. The LP bounty should increase daily until retribution has been achieved. In order to prevent gaming the system by attacking friends with an out-of-corp alt, the bounty should apply to all toons on the offending account - that is, each toon is allocated a separate cumulative bounty, so that not even the hisec miner alts of the pirate are safe.

In this way, FW players could earn massive bounties my hunting down the alts of repeat offenders, repeat offenders would have to become more careful when playing, and we'd all have a fun old time hunting each other down for money... and we all love money.

Just a quick thanks for the CCP intervention in the FW zone.


I hope this attempt to provide a fix / incentive in the right direction will be reviewed and amended and added to very very very soon.

ie - See what Bienator II wrote.

I will post further ... when time allows

mine 70 dps farm ship is not able to take eaven small rat ;o damn

In addition to fixing the issue in the plex itself, there needs to be a downside to a pirate attacking a FW player, and an upside to the FW player in killing pirates.

Why should taking a system be difficult if nobody defends it? The worst part of Eve (in all areas, not just FW) is when you're forced to grind something to "win" even when the other side doesn't show up.

I like this suggestion but I think there is another causal driver at work in FW.

The biggest threat to FW players while plexing is not other FW players but of course, non-FW pirates who make a sport of killing FW farmers for fun. They of course do this in specialised ships with specialised boosters sitting at the station or in a deep safe.

The upside is that there's a FIGHT!

What this muppet said. If you want to balance by DPS, make it so you either need to have good skills and fit, or work together. You do newbies no favor by showing them it's OK to successfully fly a Rifter with two guns in a "PvP" environment.