Out of Pod Experience

I surmise that it's less a case of fanboyism, and more a case of having invested a significant amount of money into something that has yet to be delivered to their hands in any meaningful way. I've sunk my share of money into the game so far, but I've been holding back from putting any more in until I can actually make an informed decision as to what ships will be worth buying (actually being able to FLY them and read intelligently comparable statistics somewhere).

I figure I'm going to put in a decent chunk of hours into it, and based on that approximation I can determine roughly what amount of money that means to me as a player. That's my general policy on free to play games -- if I enjoy it a lot, I'm not above giving the developer some cash for it.

I wouldn't go so far to say that there was NO return on investment; the technical R&D done for WoD for sure benefited EVE Online, and CCP's internal technical knowledge.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the human brain needs sleep to prevent inane rambling like the statement above.

I don't think it's a double-standard -- it's a textbook case of scope creep made worse by poor management.

Specifically, as their funding trucks continued to roll in, they threw additional stretch goals onto the to-do list. That in itself is fine, but they went and took that extra step of hurling more bodies at the mounting list of items to work on rather than focus on the core experiences and handle the rest later. Yes those are contracted companies handling some of this extra stuff, but it reduces the focus of the core group to manage the ongoing development and maintain focus on the end goal: putting something into the hands of players.

They also went and spent so much time making sure the toilet on the constellation had the right amount of surface detail that they forgot they had an entire server infrastructure to work on. That stuff DID delay them, and they've admitted to that openly.

LOL, true.... Feature creep is a double edged sword even with 3 more studios being hired for specific parts of the game, and will cause delays since the initial release for the full game, had it only collected the initial 2 million $, was late 2014 for the full game( no Alpha or beta) so there's no way in hell it'll make it even with 44 million collected.


I don't see it happen until at least early 2016 if not more.

you keep comparing CIG to CCP and keep bringing up WoD and Dust, but there is something that you keep missing...

i can currently play two CCP games. I can throw money at something and i have a return on that, in the sense that right now, today, i can play something. And i have both an Eve and a Dust account. CCP spending money and canning WoD doesn't really bother me. Because its CCP's money. And i can still play a game.

CIG is using money gained by random promises. The kickstarter was a brilliant idea, you kick start and then get something to market that shows you can do what you say THEN you get more because people buy your stuff. What Roberts is doing, is ofc, unheard of. The fact that it has taken him 2 years and all he has to show is a hanger mod... is a bit sad. Esp as he had 46m (now i think?) thrown at him, and lots of games are made with LESS then that in the same amount of time. The additional stretch goals waste time. Which pushes back his product. It makes it seem like he just wants more money and doesn't give a crap about putting something out.

Also 'high tech awesome graphics' a good game doesn't make. I would rather he not waste 2m on a sound studio and a set for the weekly youtube video, and get something out. you would also think that he would of taken some of the stretch money and maybe asked for more to get his network sorted faster. I see this as a poorly managed project that is growing out of control.

I do not hope that SC fails, i'd love to see it succeed and other companies borrow the idea to have the players who want it fund it. But i don;t think that is going to happen in this case.

So far i'm unimpressed by the progress. You can say 'oh he had to redo his network' but in the months since he decided to redo that, he has had what 10 stretch goals? and brought in another 10m? And he wasted some on giving you all a towel...

CCP can crash and burn any project they want, they are not asking me for extra money. If they take 20 years to make project legion and eve the vision they want, i don;t care. I'll be able to play eve for that full 20 years. That's the difference.

Roberts has a chance to do something no one else has, have a fully funded by players game. but he is failing in how he is managing that money. Is just a matter of time before backers start asking questions.

wow, the SC forum really is sad. It's absurd that the backers have to wait in line to get access to a single module of a game. Poor planning and amateur business foresight can't even give fair and equal access to the many backers. One would think $40+ million would buy at least a couple servers, let alone a working single player demo

Look at all the poor saps making excuses:

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/128117/soo-dfm-access-based-on-citizen-number

I'm citizen number 15461,so part of the earliest backers that were dumb enough to finance the game way back then, and it seems i'll be part of the first group to enjoy it's multiplayer aspect......I know, I know, I shouldn't have backed that early and now have a few advantages.



As far as the servers go, it has to be enough for 250 000 players, which last I checked is a number well beyond the maximum that EVE has even had online on it's single server in the 11 years it's existed...

I'm getting more entertainment now for $0 than all those backers are likely to ever get for the hundreds - or thousands - that they've "invested".

No wonder Chris Roberts hates F2P

What development? This vape has had no substantial releases or tangible results beyond one module in two years, but please enlighten me, oh wise and faceless forum alt.

I do know business and as a business venture and development investment, SC smells like cheap snake oil that has been fermenting in the desert sun. These delays and botched presentations would never fly with real investors.