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Dev Blog: Giving Drones an Assist

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#901 - 2014-05-09 09:30:47 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
It has never been if you can use it now you can use it then.. CCP have increased requirements for modules several times now.

The line has always been if you can FLY it now you can FLY it then..

Also, it's ~15min of training total for you to keep using your Sentries as you are.. so suck it up princess. If they made it so you needed to spec skill at V, then you'd have an argument.. 1 is nothing.

Sorry - Your wrong oh so very wrong - it won't be a simple 15 mins to keep using them as now - It is over 20 days to get back to where they are now.
Specialization 1 gives 2% bonus, you will need to train to lvl 5 to get 100% Dps from Sentries.
Having trained Sentry Drones level 5 currently gives you 100% Dps, so unless Specialization is simply adding to the current Dps you get from Sentries - It is additional training and previously maxed skills will have lost value.

My opinions are mine.

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Skarlock Tremillion
Angry Rampant Space Gerbils
#902 - 2014-05-09 11:08:49 UTC
Ravasta Helugo wrote:
Are the stats for the Gecko fixed, or will it be receiving a damage/speed boost in line with other heavies when these changes come out?


After looking at the Gecko stats and seeing the way they play my feeling is that these drones are currently set for the post summer change which is why they seem a little OP as is. If you imagine them after the changes then they fall much more in-line with other heavy drones with the DPS and speed becoming normalised. It would be interesting to get official feedback about them but I would put my 2 ISK on them already having the stats ready for the summer patch.
Sael Va'Tauri
Morgan Industry
Silent Infinity
#903 - 2014-05-09 21:28:31 UTC
Instead of just making the augmented drones the same as fully skilled T2 drones, has anyone considered making them do less damage than a T2 drone, but be effected by both racial skills?

For example, base an augmented hobgoblin could do 12% less damage than a T2 hobgoblin, but be effected by both Gallenete and Caldari Drone Spec skills, so at level 4 in both specs the augmented drone would deal ~4% damage more than a T2 hobgoblin. If you went nuts training, you could even top out at ~8% more damage than a normal T2 hobgoblin.
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#904 - 2014-05-09 22:57:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Innominate
I realize I'm coming in rather late, but never not post.

As originally envisioned, the conversion of SDO/CDO into the light/medium drone skills made sense. Apparently it was later decided that all three skills would be derived from "SDO or CDO, whichever was higher". The problem here is that in its current form, CDO is support skill for SDO for which there is no reason to ever train it higher.

What this means is that despite the wording, what is effectively happening is that Combat drone operation is being deleted, with three new skills being added which carry over the value of your Scout Drone Operation skill. While the other way around is possible, it's practically nonexistent as training them like that makes no sense.

Consider someone with only SDO5, they are losing that skill in exchange for three level 5 skills.

Next consider someone with only CDO5, they are spending twice the SP to get those same three level 5 skills. This one doesn't actually happen because nobody trains CDO5 without already having SDO5.

Now consider someone with SDO5 _and_ CDO5, they have spent three times the training time as the SDO5 pilot and will receive the same final SP amount from it.

The current level of CDO makes no difference to the post patch skills of a character. This change should be considered for what it is, the removal of CDO and splitting of SDO into three separate skills with the SP from CDO being refunded as unallocated SP.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#905 - 2014-05-10 04:32:00 UTC
No one is getting any SP over it. I'll eat my eyepiece if we do lol

And as for the "It's no longer useful therefore we should get SP back.." line from a page back.. I didn't get the MONTH and change I spent training into an Orca back when they cut it's training time back by a third.. Cap pilots didn't get the time back from training BS V when the requirements changed to BS IV..

You trained a skill cause you needed it, then you benefited from it. So you're not getting SP back now that things change. Doing that would be as bad as after every change CCP goes back and says "Well your ship can't do THAT dps anymore, so we are undoing this kill, and that one, and giving these guys back their space.."

You benefited from it, be happy, deal with the changes.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#906 - 2014-05-10 07:44:12 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
No one is getting any SP over it. I'll eat my eyepiece if we do lol

And as for the "It's no longer useful therefore we should get SP back.." line from a page back.. I didn't get the MONTH and change I spent training into an Orca back when they cut it's training time back by a third.. Cap pilots didn't get the time back from training BS V when the requirements changed to BS IV..

You trained a skill cause you needed it, then you benefited from it. So you're not getting SP back now that things change. Doing that would be as bad as after every change CCP goes back and says "Well your ship can't do THAT dps anymore, so we are undoing this kill, and that one, and giving these guys back their space.."

You benefited from it, be happy, deal with the changes.


I don't see how changing requirements for an item is the same as entirely removing a skill.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#907 - 2014-05-10 15:00:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Innominate
Sniper Smith wrote:
No one is getting any SP over it. I'll eat my eyepiece if we do lol

And as for the "It's no longer useful therefore we should get SP back.." line from a page back.. I didn't get the MONTH and change I spent training into an Orca back when they cut it's training time back by a third.. Cap pilots didn't get the time back from training BS V when the requirements changed to BS IV.


When the training time for the orca was cut, and you might have no longer personally needed those skills, they were still in the game and still conferred bonuses for things you could have done. Capital pilots had battleship 5 before, they had battleship 5 after, and battleship 5 still did matter when flying battleships.

This change is different, if you have SDO5 and CDO5 today, after the patch it's exactly the same result as if you had SDO5/CD00, 512k sp less.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#908 - 2014-05-10 21:52:57 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Sniper Smith wrote:
No one is getting any SP over it. I'll eat my eyepiece if we do lol

And as for the "It's no longer useful therefore we should get SP back.." line from a page back.. I didn't get the MONTH and change I spent training into an Orca back when they cut it's training time back by a third.. Cap pilots didn't get the time back from training BS V when the requirements changed to BS IV.


When the training time for the orca was cut, and you might have no longer personally needed those skills, they were still in the game and still conferred bonuses for things you could have done. Capital pilots had battleship 5 before, they had battleship 5 after, and battleship 5 still did matter when flying battleships.

This change is different, if you have SDO5 and CDO5 today, after the patch it's exactly the same result as if you had SDO5/CD00, 512k sp less.




I didn't get skill points back for Diplomatic relations when they removed what the skill does and now gives a totally different bonus.
stoicfaux
#909 - 2014-05-11 14:54:27 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tYl-QUgm_JqySf3e7o7CkbfYYcM3rQcE6RexpXVtkS0/edit?usp=sharing

Google docs spreadsheet for summer drones (using the spreadsheet from the blog as a base.) It includes skills and lets you add modules/rig effects while accounting for stacking penalties. Click the tabs for a preview of a Domi, Rattlesnake, and Gila. You will need to make a copy if you want to play with it (either download or copy it to your googledrive.)

You can make up your own module/effects numbers for hypothetical faction drone modules and/or new drone modules such as the low slot TE for drones.

Does not include fighters and bombers.


Apologies if someone has already beaten me to it or if the data has otherwise been made available.

edit: Now partially obsolete due to updated tracking and drone HP changes from May 30th.

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Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#910 - 2014-05-11 16:38:19 UTC
Raely Reborn wrote:
Will drone rigs like tracking, durability, and speed affect fighter/fighter bombers?

Will you be adding a drone implant category?

Any plans to edit the existing rig or add new rig(s) to provide damage increases for each class of drone (not just sentry)?

o7


From my reading of the dev blog:

Yes, yes, yes, yes(yes and no)*

No

No

*IIRC fighter bomber damage is calculated like missile damage so tracking won't affect it.

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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#911 - 2014-05-11 18:20:05 UTC
No new Drone Rigs or Implants this release.. I asked earlier and they said they are considering for future releases, but don't want to change it all at once. aka don't hold your breath.
Dehval
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#912 - 2014-05-12 01:54:23 UTC
With the changes to Drone Interfacing will Mining Drones be getting their yield increased to compensate? Not really important because they are hardly used as is, but it would be nice for clarification.

Haven't had the time to read the thread to see if this was answered.
Angelina Duvolle
Homeworld Technologies
#913 - 2014-05-12 02:44:25 UTC
Quote:
is important for current Supercarrier pilots to be prepared for the change in Fighter Bomber volume. Any Supercarrier drone bay that is full of Fighter Bombers before the patch will be overloaded after downtime. In this case the drones will automatically move to the Supercarrier’s cargo bay where they will prevent the ship from warping or jumping until they have been jettisoned or otherwise removed.


Unsub'd pilots returning to the game are gonna have a pretty big suprise when they can't WARP OR JUMP on re-subbing/logging back in.

Might want to find an alternative to that.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#914 - 2014-05-12 08:53:06 UTC
Smile I'm struggling to imagine a world where CCP would want to design changes to the benefit of people who don't pay them regularly, rather than people who do.

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#915 - 2014-05-12 09:00:25 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Smile I'm struggling to imagine a world where CCP would want to design changes to the benefit of people who don't pay them regularly, rather than people who do.

With the current push of incentives to get people to seek out ex players and get them to resub.. I can.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#916 - 2014-05-12 09:12:37 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Smile I'm struggling to imagine a world where CCP would want to design changes to the benefit of people who don't pay them regularly, rather than people who do.


Yeah it's almost is if there's some divergence between some wild sweeping generalisations that have ben made which you have seized on as being convenient, and the actual facts which CCP are in a position to know for certain.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#917 - 2014-05-12 09:13:23 UTC
Hahaha just kidding of course. Wild sweeping generalisations are always correct. What kind of crazy upside down world would this be if they weren't?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#918 - 2014-05-12 12:21:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Smile I'm struggling to imagine a world where CCP would want to design changes to the benefit of people who don't pay them regularly, rather than people who do.


Yeah it's almost is if there's some divergence between some wild sweeping generalisations that have ben made which you have seized on as being convenient, and the actual facts which CCP are in a position to know for certain.


If I were making a wild sweeping generalisation then I would accept your point, but I am not since I carefully used the regularly.

A mothership pilot account being resubbed so that it can take part in a few battles before being mothballed again does not constitute a regular subscription.

That would be an irregular subscription, right?

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#919 - 2014-05-14 10:03:18 UTC
Bump so people are aware they need to train SDO 5 and not CDO 5.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jedediah Arndtz
Jedediah Arndtz Corporation
#920 - 2014-05-14 10:47:38 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.

As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.

The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.



So you're saying the people who already had SDO to 5, and trained CDO 5 because of the devblog are SOL? Wow, thanks CCP, yet another way to **** the players.