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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#281 - 2014-05-07 21:29:39 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:


Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards an unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development?


No

Track record of brain-child-haver says SC will be stillborn or at least suffer massive brain damage on delivery

Ive heard this tlak about EvE for the past 6 years

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#282 - 2014-05-07 21:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Ramona McCandless wrote:
No

Track record of brain-child-haver says SC will be stillborn or at least suffer massive brain damage on delivery

Ive heard this tlak about EvE for the past 6 years

I have to politly disagree there... but that's ok. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#283 - 2014-05-07 23:17:09 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Kyon Rheyne wrote:
This is it. In fact, I've I only recently learned rthat it was completely dropped. I thought before that this riot in Jita was ignited by attempts to introduce microtransactions in "pay to win" manner, not by WiS in general. So many players don't attend to forums, and so much of those who do care about nothing beyond another shiny ship model (as if there are not enough of them in the game already; srsly, I never used more then one third of them)

Because CCP is big in taking all the wrong hints/learning all the wrong lessons... but they'll come around eventually... if only to stay in the race for best "complete scifie experience"... and in the end, it neither will mater what people like Rhes want, nore what we have to say about it, it only will matter what CCP wants the EVE frenchise to be.

Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards an unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development?


Hilmar must be crying in his beer, as eve was the original star citizen, especially as it has crowd funded twice the cost of wod that he's just written off.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#284 - 2014-05-07 23:19:03 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:


Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards an unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development?


No

Track record of brain-child-haver says SC will be stillborn or at least suffer massive brain damage on delivery

Ive heard this tlak about EvE for the past 6 years


I agree with Ramona on this one, I think sc has been so heavily hyped that it can only disappoint on release.

Assuming it ever gets released.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Naomi Hale
#285 - 2014-05-08 04:31:50 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Shalua Rui wrote:


Food of thought: Doesn't anybody find it oddly convenient that CCP, suddenly pushes towards an unified EVE game experience on PC, complete with (VR) space fighter and FPS combat, just as RSI's Star Citizen starts to really spin up development?


No

Track record of brain-child-haver says SC will be stillborn or at least suffer massive brain damage on delivery

Ive heard this tlak about EvE for the past 6 years


I agree with Ramona on this one, I think sc has been so heavily hyped that it can only disappoint on release.

Assuming it ever gets released.


Plus it seems to rely on players having high-end gaming PCs, Oculus Rift headsets and large amounts of disposable income (given the size of pledges they want, $50 to $15,000, who the hell...).

I've noticed over the years that the more successful mmos usually run well on bare bones pcs. Until recently the strongest graphics card I had was a GTX 260M (yes M) and it just wasn't worth playing some mmos as they either ran poorly or had the graphics set so low they looked terrible, and few of them have the gameplay to make up the difference.

While Star Citizen looks great and has some nice ideas I don't think it's going to be as big a hit as it's hyped to be.

I'm Naomi Hale and this is my favourite thread on the forums.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#286 - 2014-05-08 08:49:29 UTC
The other thing with Star Citizen is that it sets up an uncomfortable situation. I've heard some say that if SC succeeds at providing what it promises, EvE is in trouble due to a lack of avatar content. Oddly, I think there is a very different way to look at it.

Far worse than EvE having no avatar content while SC has lots, is the possibility that EvE goes toe-to-toe with SC on avatar play, and comes out second. At least in the first instance, EvE has its spaceship game, and metagame angles to continue to work their existing customer base. But chasing the same star as SC would involve a massive use of resources, and a potential negative effect on the spaceship game (and metagame through lost subs in the sectors of the playerbase that pushes the metagame), all for nothing if SC still came out ahead on avatar play, as those players who want avatar play will go where it is best, giving EvE nothing for coming in second place.

In the scheme of things, EvE is much healthier bolstering their existing playerbase, and trusting in SC catering to a very different playerbase they can't hope to compete for anyway (or just flat out never appearing). I'm not saying EvE should never chase the potential for avatar play, but the way to do that is definitely not setting themselves up for failure in a straight race with SC.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#287 - 2014-05-08 14:29:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
If incarna was an unwanted feature and the source of all the rage, how come ccp caved into pressure to release the other three non minmatar captain's quarters in the next expansion, if incarna was an unwanted feature?

If by "caved into pressure" you mean "completed work that was almost ready to ship in Incarna" then, er, yes?

Are you still of the belief CCP threw millions of dollars and 2 years out the window to fix a problem that didn't exist? Again, in either version of your narrative CCP could/would continue with WiS minus the micro-transactions.

Ohhhhhhh..

Wait. It's almost like they didn't do that because no one wanted it, huh?

I guess when CCP said "We are giving you what you want, a re-focus on spaceships"
What they really meant was "We refuse to work on the anticipated WiS features for literally no reason, and will instead work on spaceships"

And I also assume the cheers from the crowd at that point were boos that CCP had edited with some wizardry to make it seem like people didn't want WiS.

I guess all the forum posts celebrating the 180 were just CCP posting on alts to cover up for the fact the players were outraged CCP had abandoned WiS.
As Rhes said, the people who actually want WiS are a small (very noisy) minority.

Case in point: this thread. It's reached 14 pages of A WHOLE TWO of you trying to perform some revisionist history and drum up interest.


No, there's a whole Two of you trying to shout down any support for WIS.

Yes, conveniently ignore the rest of my post and the actual events of the time which demonstrated support for WiS was almost zero across the whole playerbase.
You know what? Have your little beliefs. If you want to believe WiS was a great idea and CCP threw away a much-wanted feature and years of dev time for no reason, go ahead. I won't stop you anymore.

Except, you don't really believe this, and I don't believe you believe this, you're just attached to your argument and want to try to get the last word, even if it's of the calibre of "TEARS!" or "No U!" like the rest of them.

I do wonder why, if you honestly want WiS to happen, you would refuse facts and jump around yelling stuff you know to be nonsense. My theories as to why this is the only method you can take wouldn't be postable to Eve-O, however Blink

I'll say what I said pages ago: If you want WiS to happen, you need to make a cogent argument for it. Pretending everyone loved it really guys (something CCPs own metrics show to be false) and "I pinky swear to give you £500 after you spend years making it -NPC alt" aren't going to actually get you anywhere.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#288 - 2014-05-08 14:31:13 UTC
Sometimes it's difficult to accept that bad, unfair things happen to people who don't deserve it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#289 - 2014-05-08 14:40:20 UTC
I have not read all the posts in this thread so if I state something someone else has already mentioned, I apologize.

Know my thoughts on WiS.

I do feel that CCP needs to offer this for Eve Online in the future for it to keep growing and evolving. With that said.

I do believe with CCP announcing Project Legion, that this is the first step in that direction. If CCP allows the player to use his/her character either in Eve Online or Project Legion then this is the beginning of WiS.

Let CCP get Project Legion going on the PC & if this takes off & interest is there for it, then logically the next step would be to allow your character to walk in stations.

I only hope that this is CCP's long term goal with Project Legion.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#290 - 2014-05-08 14:50:25 UTC
So if your friend came up to you all sad and dejected and said that he really liked this girl but that she hadn't returned any of his calls or texts or emails or flowers for a year, what would you advise him to do?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#291 - 2014-05-08 14:51:13 UTC
Oh and the last time she did speak to him, it was to tell him that they should just be friends and she was going to be really busy for a while.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#292 - 2014-05-08 14:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
She is just playing hard to get right?








Right? Sad
Dave stark
#293 - 2014-05-08 14:55:42 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
So if your friend came up to you all sad and dejected and said that he really liked this girl but that she hadn't returned any of his calls or texts or emails or flowers for a year, what would you advise him to do?


i'd advise him to tell some one that cares.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#294 - 2014-05-08 14:58:26 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
She is just playing hard to get right?

Right? Sad


Naw, she's just being coy, biding her time until either he comes-up with a grand gesture, or, the restraining order is approved.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#295 - 2014-05-08 14:58:35 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
So if your friend came up to you all sad and dejected and said that he really liked this girl but that she hadn't returned any of his calls or texts or emails or flowers for a year, what would you advise him to do?


Bombard her with petitions and write to her parents demanding that she change her attitude or you will stop paying for the flowers you keep sending her.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#296 - 2014-05-08 15:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ray Kyonhe
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Yes, conveniently ignore the rest of my post and the actual events of the time which demonstrated support for WiS was almost zero across the whole playerbase.
You know what? Have your little beliefs. If you want to believe WiS was a great idea and CCP threw away a much-wanted feature and years of dev time for no reason, go ahead. I won't stop you anymore.

You are not the playerbase (not its significant part for shure), your friends to whom you are refering as "the whole playerbase" also just a tiny fraction of it. And if it comes to that neither I nor other WiS supporters here (see? there are already three of us!) can speak for playerbase (at least I understand this, how about you?). We all just an insignificant part of it granted with too much spare time, wasting it in not very rational way. Until CCP have conducted a survey among all the acitve players - and that can only be done by means of a game client, it should present a quick selection of questions about future of WiS each time it starts, for example - until that no one can possibly measure amount of WiS supporters/antagonists amongst the playerbase. Do you think another blob in Jita which your alliance are famous for anyway will show it? It will only show your determination worthy of a better cause.

Survey/voting system inbuilt to the game client: link_Reforming corp and taxation system: link_New PvE content (reward collective gameplay): link
Literally Space Moses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#297 - 2014-05-08 16:00:50 UTC
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Yes, conveniently ignore the rest of my post and the actual events of the time which demonstrated support for WiS was almost zero across the whole playerbase.
You know what? Have your little beliefs. If you want to believe WiS was a great idea and CCP threw away a much-wanted feature and years of dev time for no reason, go ahead. I won't stop you anymore.

You are not the playerbase (not its significant part for shure), your friends to whom you are refering as "the whole playerbase" also just a tiny fraction of it. And if it comes to that neither I nor other WiS supporters here (see? there are already three of us!) can speak for playerbase (at least I understand this, how about you?). We all just an insignificant part of it granted with too much spare time, wasting it in not very rational way. Until CCP have conducted a survey among all the acitve players - and that can only be done by means of a game client, it should present a quick selection of questions about future of WiS each time it starts, for example - until that no one can possibly measure amount of WiS supporters/antagonists amongst the playerbase. Do you think another blob in Jita which your alliance are famous for anyway will show it? It will only show your determination worthy of a better cause.


I'm pretty sure the jita riots and the cancelled subs proved our point when Incarna came out.

#T2013
Ray Kyonhe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#298 - 2014-05-08 16:08:55 UTC
Literally Space Moses wrote:

I'm pretty sure the jita riots and the cancelled subs proved our point when Incarna came out.

That you shouldn't go to extremes? Yes, it did. And cancelling WiS altogether with Incarna project became just another extreme we are trying to avoid.

Survey/voting system inbuilt to the game client: link_Reforming corp and taxation system: link_New PvE content (reward collective gameplay): link
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#299 - 2014-05-08 16:11:10 UTC
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
Literally Space Moses wrote:

I'm pretty sure the jita riots and the cancelled subs proved our point when Incarna came out.

That you shouldn't go to extremes? Yes, it did. And cancelling WiS altogether with Incarna project became just another extreme we are trying to avoid.


Jita riots were about microtransactions, not WiS

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#300 - 2014-05-08 16:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:

Yes, conveniently ignore the rest of my post and the actual events of the time which demonstrated support for WiS was almost zero across the whole playerbase.
You know what? Have your little beliefs. If you want to believe WiS was a great idea and CCP threw away a much-wanted feature and years of dev time for no reason, go ahead. I won't stop you anymore.

You are not the playerbase (not its significant part for shure), your friends to whom you are refering as "the whole playerbase" also just a tiny fraction of it. And if it comes to that neither I nor other WiS supporters here (see? there are already three of us!) can speak for playerbase (at least I understand this, how about you?). We all just an insignificant part of it granted with too much spare time, wasting it in not very rational way. Until CCP have conducted a survey among all the acitve players - and that can only be done by means of a game client, it should present a quick selection of questions about future of WiS each time it starts, for example - until that no one can possibly measure amount of WiS supporters/antagonists amongst the playerbase. Do you think another blob in Jita which your alliance are famous for anyway will show it? It will only show your determination worthy of a better cause.


I'm not talking about the people in this thread. I can't keep re-stating the same things over and over if you guys just want to keep pretending that the entire playerbase wasn't in uproar with Incarna.
CCP did question the playerbase at the time. The CSM also polled people for their interests in WiS and what they wanted CCP to be doing with spaceships.

Guess what - the people wanted CCP to re-focus on spaceships.

CCP re-focussed on spaceships (at the cost of millions of dollars of wasted development and an ugly downsizing).

No, they didn't do that because there wasn't such an overwhelming number of people leaving the game (less CCP promise to work on spaceships) that the company was looking at a very short future.

Stop denying what actually happened and you can maybe get some traction. If your argument for WiS is to pretend everyone actually wanted it, you won't get anywhere.
Ray Kyonhe wrote:
Literally Space Moses wrote:

I'm pretty sure the jita riots and the cancelled subs proved our point when Incarna came out.

That you shouldn't go to extremes? Yes, it did. And cancelling WiS altogether with Incarna project became just another extreme we are trying to avoid.

Both ideas were canned independently. CCP promised that no pay-to-win was ever going to be put into Eve, but people were still unsubscribing en-masse. It wasn't until CCP promised to can WiS and spend their efforts on spaceships that the playerbase got back on board with CCP.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,