EVE General Discussion

The "rebellion" was about a lot of different things,
for a quite large amount of different people.

Khanh'rhh's reply is the checkmate of every WiS discussion and rightly so because it is a game about space ships not about dancing in stations but more and more players are realising that the game needs to keep up with what the competition is doing and with what players are coming to expect from a game especially when it's subscription based, this is why these threads keep popping up.

The game as it stands will never be fixed there will always be something that needs adding, fixing or balancing, no game world on this scale will ever be perfect but then that doesn't mean it should be allowed to stagnate. If we keep getting offered clothes, tattoos and even avatar defying shoes (new designs now NOT the old designs from the disaster) then we have to get WiS or else CCP are just exploiting our hopes and destroying the future of the game and that will be a checkmate for us all.

CCP do not do WIS kickstarter for a reason. The reason is SC and Elite: Dangerous, both kickstarted some time ago and now work in progress.

An honest question - were you around when it happened? There were many polls done at the time and the overwhelming majority of people wanted a full re-focus on spaceships; it's why CCP did a complete 180 and the next couple of expansions (that fixed things people were begging for, but were scheduled years away) were massive successes. Not to mention, of course, the emergency CSM summit where the CSM took feedback to CCP, which resulted in the statements that CCP would do this turn-about (love him or hate him, The Mittani basically saved your spaceship game).


It was about the whole direction of the game at that time. With CCP telling everyone they couldn't work on spaceships because they were doing WiS, and WiS looking like it would be nothing other than an avatar and a cash-shop for the next couple of years, players rightly refused to support that development.
If you weren't around at the time, the uproar wasn't limited to a few posts on GD about how sucky it was, the forums were completely full of rage, every in-game hub had fleets of hundreds shooting the monuments (this was a deliberate attempt, pre-tidi, to crash the servers and keep them off) and CCP were staring at a number of subscriptions that was in a complete nose-dive. It took just under a year before CCP caught back up to pre-incarna subscription numbers, as people weren't just hitting unsub for show.

e: If you don't know why the "Greed is good" leak was controversial, it's because it was a document exploring how they would use the new Aurum store to introduce pay-to-win items ('gold ammo').

It's kind of understandable in its way, it was a perfect storm of a number of really bad decisions, all in a very tight timeframe; many of which, in isolation, would never have caused the storm it did (after all, the "18 months" statement had been a year prior, but set up the pile of gasoline-coated tinder that the captains quarters, NeX store, 1000$ jeans, and 'Greed is Good' ignited). So now, in retrospect, it makes sense that most people only remember the thing that caused them to add their voice to the cacophony, and selectively forget the things that they themselves either didn't care about, or actually partially liked.

Incidentally, the news about Legion should be good for you guys. Sure, it isn't walking in stations, but it's a step closer, and might one day serve as a bridge back to a new look at the WIS concept.

Forgetting the Kickstarter route, would anybody pay an extra sub to get that door open?

Opening one facility room at a time and so scaling it depending on subscriptions since they seem to talk louder than words.

I certainly would.

Why? Can you or any other WiS-beggar explain what you think WIS will actually add to the experience outside of RP? I have not seen a single post explaining this.

it's a whole new gameplay, you know, like Dust was, Valkyrie and now Legion.