EVE General Discussion

IMO; remove WiS, admit it was a mistake (like they did with WoD) and put this money towards FiS (or what used be known as EVE Online)

But that is just hopeful thinking, no? Sometimes things are just not possible. I've seen plenty of projects wash out, especially in indie dev projects. But even big companies (CCP being fairly small still) scrap projects that just couldn't work. I think we lucked out with EVE, in that WoD became the proverbial ginnie pig for the disaster.

Well from my perspective I disagree to what would have happened if WiS continued, but that is probably more based on the Carbon system. Now if WiS had been built differently, less experimental, who knows? My objection isn't purely on WiS in itself, but the results of the existing system, a system of which was used to develop another game which resulted in it being abandoned there. And we know they tried... that's a lot of money for an R&D project, complete games have been built with far less.

Yeah I think they will just maintain what is already there, maintenance cycles. For those wanting WiS to actually be developed, that's not good though. If I were leading the plea for WiS to be worked on one day, I'd be stressing for a replacement, not a continuation. You know what the most obvious sign of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different outcome.

Well, let's be fair. You can't expect a game to continue along the innovation path, and ask them to keep in mind museum pieces.
There is nothing wrong with running a potatosaur, but when they released Incarnia, a lot of us *myself included* had to upgrade our hardware a bit. The requirements are low enough that a cheap, low end PC will still run the game at a decent rate, but I don't see the situation remaining like this much longer.
I for one, am all for a full Directx 11 implementation. Now, i know we have one, but come on, it's not as good as it could be.

The problem WiS has now, is that for many of us, it falls into the "fool me twice" catagory. We gave them their chance and they squandered it in the most ludicrous way imaginable.

For many of us, the "18 months" snub was shocking (really, why did they bother having a CSM that year if the answer to every question was "no EvE developement this year"), but we swallowed it down as a cost of this massive, innovative mission CCP was on. And at the end of that 18 months, what we were served up was pathetic and insulting. It was like waiting three hours at a restaurant, and finally being served up a reheated tin of Heinz soup (and being charged a £10 surcharge for a spoon). The most embarrassing part of it was CCPs seemingly genuine surprise at our anger. It wasn't like they couldn't have seen it coming - the forum was filled for that 18 months with peoples hopes, expectations, and straight-up requirements for walking in stations. Sure, most peoples expectations were in the sky, but they could have got a general feel for what was an expected baseline, and that was not "single bedroom, with ludicrously overpriced microtransaction shop", and they should have seen the impending pile-up, and either managed expectations, or re-evaluated their priorities. But instead, they plowed on regardless, insulted our intelligence, then insulted us personally in internal memos, and got exactly what they ******* well deserved.

I wanted WiS. I do not want it now. CCP poisoned the well, and lost any good will or forbearance on this project. They had their chance and blew it, and there is absolutely no way I will tolerate another "18 months" on the belief that CCP can get it right this time. I might say I would only support another approach to WiS with a solid plan, and roadmap of what they intend, and in what timeframe. But, you know what, the second I considered that, I had a flashback of a photo of a whiteboard crammed with CCPs roadmap for sov. Was that 2 years ago now, was it longer? Actually, no, I'm not sure I would trust another "roadmap". Wolf has been cried one too many times.

Let's not forget that now their main focus is new player space, new worlds and whatnot. And their roadmap is oddly reminiscing of the sov roadmap we had 2 years ago.

Personally, I would preffer if WiS was scrapped all together, and we could just move on from this sour patch. The last time I bothered with the Captain's Quarters was when someone released a tool to convert videos into eve compatible files, and you could make your TV or whatever is called play your messed up weird and freaky ****. I personally had some anime going, and it was funny and interesting to watch for the first 10 minutes. After that, every single time I've entered the Quarters has been by mistake, or a new toon/fresh client install. There is no use to it, no incentive for me to stumble with my shot out knees across the hall, and no reason for me to stay docked staring and my toon oddly shift and shuffle and blink.

OP is ridiculous

Thread is redundant

Please lock

Keep telling yourself that.

Nobody wants WiS, right?

Jita riots were all about WiS, right?

All the money dumped into WoD was purely used to develop the graphics engine, right?

The failure of WoD directly collates to WiS's future, right?

Etc etc.

The thing is all of that is false. Completely false misnomers or purposefully misleading to try and give an anti-WIS argument some credence beyond a simple opinion.

What, this again? See the link I provided on the post a few posts up. The link to the active WiS thread. You are replying to my posts here but not actually reading them, obviously. More one way conversations there...

Yay, now I have a keyboard

Even though my post contained a quote of one sentence you wrote it wasn't just addressed to you solely. But in a way you're right - I don't read your posts that closely anymore after I noticed them consistently littered with the misnomers and falsehoods of the ilk I mentioned above (even after being addressed/refuted by others you still roll them out again later), but I did visit your link, but honestly had trouble discerning exactly what post you were linking (the forums aren't helpful like that - ISD Ezwals was the one that popped up) and couldn't be ****** reading through the whole page to ascertain the point you were trying to link to - As you say much of these discussions are circular and personally I've participated in these threads for a very long time and am tired of investing too much time in them anymore.

Why? Because I've come to realize what's really at the core of this whole WiS issue, and it actually has nothing to do with all the debates and arguments peddled by people in any of the threads. It's actually got everything to do with the culture of EVE itself, the "HTFU or get out of my harsh, unforgiving spaceship game". People who relish this attitude simply cannot stand the thought of people in "their" game running around playing space-barbie. So they come to threads like this to argue against WiS but need to find, or create, some form of factual argument to do so rather than just an opinion. Thus we see all the bullshit arguments that circulate again and again.

And here's why I believe this is the real issue ...

What is the most commonly posted reason that people would not like to see development of WiS? Because they believe that putting dev resources into it will somehow harm, hamper or detract from the 'spaceship game'. In essence they have no faith in CCP to balance development.

But this isn't true, because when you ask these same people "So, if CCP announced tomorrow that they would no longer be doing any more development of EVE, and said the game as it is today is how it will always be, would you leave, or stay?".

If you said you'd leave then I'd ask wtf are you even doing here now? Aren't you enjoying EVE today already? You mustn't be having much fun if your enjoyment and longevity within the game hinges solely off what's to come with development.

If you said you'd stay, and keep playing EVE as it is right now, then I'd ask wtf is your problem if time and energy is spent developing WiS then?

This is where a lot of people become disarmed, because by contemplating this they realize that it's actually not development concerns at all that are really the basis of their opposition.

So what is? Well that's the one million dollar question, and my personal opinion is that it comes down to culture, like I mentioned. For reasons more egotistical than anything else (including some healthy fear of change) they just do not like the idea of people playing WiS in their big-boy's game and need a way to project that in an argument somehow. It's also likely got a little to do with people's fear of being absolutely no good at, or disconnected from, avatar gameplay - thus worrying them that they might be missing out on something (or failing at it) if WiS ever came to fruition.

Now that's just my opinion. I'm not trying to peddle any absolutes or facts of certainty - I'm just a person who loves the idea of WiS and would love to see it, so enjoy posting to encourage it. Like the OP, and like many other players, I don't need any facts to project that viewpoint, but those in opposition do.