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This is good information. I'm assuming the assembly array production time bonus modifiers stay the same (for each type of array).

I'm a little bit confused, could someone clarify?




What is this "Material Reduction" you speak of?

There are 300+ highsec systems that offer all 3 services (ME/PE, manufacturing, invention).

This data was exported for the public in the comments in the latest dev blog comments thread


So, really, who cares? (Also CCP WANTS clusters)

Oh, I am sorrry.
You have played the game under a stable set of conditions that allowed for a level playing field, and you expected to be treated fairly by CCP dev's with a system that maintained that level playing field?

Silly you.

Welcome to the new Eve order, where high sec risk is trivialized, ( I am sure even larger high sec gank camps will NOT form between the major research / manufacturing hubs and the trade hubs) and your time spent doing something / moving BPO's is considered without value.

Many industrialists quite rightly shake their head at the "my minerals are free because I mined them" concept.
CCP has taken that to the next level, where the time it takes hauling BPO's and finished products 20 plus jumps to and from trade / research hubs is free also, because you are doing it in high sec.

Started that last week. Prices have been crashing since the first blog came out.

Aside from making prints more vulnerable to internal theft, removing the remote from office hangar feature except for the overly paranoid the risk can be virtually ignored in high-sec. The area I see it hurting the most is low-sec operations, particularly those who are just starting to venture into that arena. Plus the feature's removal in context doesn't make much sense and reduces options.

Having a pool of NPC workers in a system affecting the costs of jobs actually makes sense and is perfectly reasonable. However removing hard caps on amount of jobs at mobile labs and arrays does not. Someone with a basic understanding of manufacturing knows you have a finite space in a building or location. It is reasonable to believe a station or outpost could reallocate physical space to adjust for more concurrent jobs, in a mobile lab or array it doesn't. It would make more sense to simplify hard caps to jobs and not job types. Doing so shouldn't even need much change to work already done by dev nor affect the UI changes and lab modifiers. Just take the sum of the different job types in a lab and set that as the maximum capacity per that type of lab. Array capacity would just stay the same or tweaked.

Even if the previous paragraph is ignored, I still wonder if there is any advantage of having multiple labs at a POS after the expansion.

I know some may feel the things I am arguing against are trivial, to be honest I'm actually pointing out issues that I would actually benefit from personally if left as proposed.

Agreed. The first thing that came to mind was stripping down the POS the bare essentials.

• Advanced Mobile Lab for the copy bonus
• Hyasyoda Mobile Lab for everything else

It's in another post by Ytterbium, where he'd said all assembly arrays, except capital ship ones, would get a -5% to materials costs.

Disclaimer: I manufacture, invent and do all BPO stuff for long time and have high(ish) ME on some prints.


This expansion is awesome.

Yea, it hits my wallet and makes me think hard but it gives two, no, four, no, several massive boosts to industry:
- No need for boring refueling of research POSes as now you can find slots (copy/ME) in stations thus reducing peoples work and server load (for keeping track of all those research POSes).
- No need to wait for manufacturing line to free up because someone is hogging it producing unprofitable item 1 jump from trade hub while I wait with very profitable item for line to free up.
- POSes can now be anchored in new systems closer to hubs without that stupid standing thing (kicking/rejoining pilots to modify corp faction standing).
- Math behind current system is not complicated just harder to get all the details so simplifying (AKA dumbing down) is good for end product cost, markets and all players wanting to taste industry.
- Removes all that insane research to ME100-500 by hitting your wallet for that madness.
- Existing BPOs become even better.

POS with expansion becomes unnecessary or luxury. If you have profitable item and high demand then you WILL anchor POS and benefit from 33% more products per day if that extra profit covers your POS fuel.
There is one more hidden benefit of POS buried in "The price of change" blog and who notices it will know why you really want a POS if you are production intensive corp/solo
On the other hand that 10% extra station tax in nothing that will make me move from station because its is multiplicative and ends up being on average 0.35-0.4% of end product price and wont alone cover POS fuel expense.

So with expansion you will need to use POS (industry related) only for T3 production, Capital production and (specifically for highsec) low-end ore compression and faster production of decently profitable items. Expansion hits your wallet (really a little) and makes industry life less tedious.







CCP, JUST please implement cheap and "easy" way to remove POSes that are littering space. Idea like hacking POSes that are (only) anchored for more then 30 days comes in mind!

Fly unsafe!

Your formatting is awful, as well. Your punctuation is awful. I'm not sure whether what you said was awful, because I couldn't decipher it. Does that make you awful as a person? It certainly shows disrespect to your fellow readers.