EVE General Discussion

a) The Mittani would say hes not the Mittani and get goons to back it up

b) Mining ops are a good place for a corp socials and just discussing corp stuff for a couple of hours.

c) 7/10 i would say

d) well writen and intersting. I gank and steal to by the way, but for a purpose, not cause miners a naughty and need spanking, i mine too and do many other things.

e) My god you love the sound of you own voice! I write lots of words to justify my actions. It's eve yah **** you dont have to justify yourself! Unless your blowing up miners and dont have an industrial near by to take the ore with you, in which case your a moron and yah need to justify that waste.
Seriously if your ganking for profit or gain its a good thing i praise you and encourge you, if it's just because everyone else is doing it, well done you missed your oppertunity to be a free thinking individual who follows where others lead.

f) The only bots are in high sec? cause lets be honest you say miners in high sec want to bot casue its about isk and making money. Null sec miners however rightous and good and veldspar shines out of their wazoos and they would never bot because they are the perfect players. Grow up, the same motivations are in null as in high when it comes to mining (not i didnt mention low, poor low sec players may they finaly rage and invade null so they get some lovin). Someone explained to me how bots worked the other day as i couldn't understand how CCP dont catch 'em, I was so disgusted. Apparently you can also bot combat ships too to rat or protect miners if you know how. If you are really hunting bots good on you it is rightous, i agree you are doing the world a service, but dont just target high sec 'cause that is hypocritical and buying into bull**** self justifying manifestos that say only high sec bot.

CCP hunt botters, let em do their job.

If your so upset about miners i would suggest that you quit and give me your stuff, i think you have nice stuff, can i have it please? or just a little bit of stuff, some gank trashers or atlos's would be nice.

Edit i cant spell in my rants apparently

Ummmm, I could tell you why in a single sentance.

Because its cheap, easy, risk free, and a guarenteed kill without the 50 man gang with super support coming to **** you.

NIce post!

Like the way it started with nice bohemian views, like rescuing the highsec miners from the tyranny of ISK making... then later took a more religious turn... "karttoon and his teachings", "I am the father" and all that. Good propaganda I must say!

You don't rival Stalin, Hitler or the Catholic Church just yet... but give it time =)

One thing I wonder. Do all "anti-miners" and full-time PVPers, If they had their way, want to see all Industry aspects of EVE removed and make it all about space combat?

I have only been in EVE for a year, and I don't claim to know everything about the ebb and flow of the EVE economy, and maybe you gankers ARE doing something that will benefit all EVE players in the long run. But aren't the highsec miners the biggest suppliers of materials to the market or is this just highsec miner propaganda?

Would be interesting and, maybe educational, to read a "anti-highsec miners" vision of EVE without highsec miners. This post only talks about why they are no good and how they don't contribute to EVE...

Sir I feel you could get that word count down a bit.

a TL:DR?

So its still as "old age" as it gets. Since if he argued against it, that means it had to exist at that time.

Anyway i didnt read it at all.

Any action, which require as much text to justify it, is probably corrupt and the justification is usually full of lies.

this character is a miner...my main character is pvp..i use mining to make isk and to contribute to corp for ice and stuff....and like most miners we are purely indy characters..so yeah we mine alot and stuff but also we make and produce ships/items...so thats the trade off in general..if no miners what would the pvpers use their isk on??? cause there would be no ships unless you count the faction ones etc.

To the OP:

First off, you're an idiot.

Secondly, you don't know squat when you talk about human hisec miners. (I run a hisec mining corporation. And I mine 4-5hours a day. And I gank bots when they come into my area of operations.)

Thirdly, a huge wall of text to tell everyone that you're better than me, because you're a pvp'r. Whoopty fricken-doo.

And lastly, you're a coward. Not because you gank miners, hisec or otherwise, but because you won't post with your main.

Do you need a hug and for someone to tell you that your great in real life? Then step away from the computer, open up some windows and let the light in, shower, then go get a life.

Manifesto my hairy butt, more like a plea for some social acknowledgement to your sorry exsistance.

Oh, btw, I'm writing this while I mine. Does this upset you?

Seriously, OP's attempt at justifying his killboard-padding, epeen-stroking, egotistical, self-centered, fascist, dictatorial, and misguided attempts to force others to play the game the way he thinks it should be played are utterly amusing.

I read the whole thread (yes, all 7000+ words, and 6 pages of responses), and whole-heartedly think (and this is my opinion, for those that know the difference between it and fact) that the OP needs to be on some strong medication, or institutionalized, for whatever condition he is suffering from.

I can honestly admit that I am a high-sec miner, have never even considered using any form of bot or macro, and enjoy mining (even it means I make less isk per hour than other activities). I use the profits that I do make to fund my alts and their activities, which are less profitable. I enjoy mining, because it is a simple task and relaxing. Mining gives me the chance to play a game that I enjoy, think over and evaluate all of my real life actions and experiences from the day. It gives the opportunity to, possibly, meet and converse with people with other perspectives from around the world.

I have met a number of people, both new players and vets alike, while mining, and had pleasant conversations with them. Conversation is a stimulating, social activity, that requires more concentration than is available when engaged in PVP.

If miners are so evil (discounting the whiners that want ganking removed), why have I discovered that most of the miners that I have met in game, are more philosophical and intellectual than most of the PVPers I have met (no offense intended to the PVPers). Suicide gankers, on the other hand, are bottom-feeders who have no concept of risk or enjoyment of a well-earned kill.

Ganking is not PVP in any way. Ganking is no more stimulating or exciting than beating up the elderly. You are trying to "fight" someone who is not capable of fighting back. Where is the challenge? Where is the thrill? If someone thinks that either of those things exist in ganking, then they are a pathetic excuse for a human.

However, gankers choose to play the game the way they want to. That is allowed within the game mechanics, and, above all, is their choice. They are entitled to have their opinion, just as I am entitled to have mine. Are they wrong to gank defenseless victims? Perhaps, perhaps not; regardless, I am not qualified to judge that. I am allowed to have an opinion, though, as are they.

I believe that ganking should remain a viable option within the mechanics of the game. However, I believe that it should be made more difficult than it currently is. The ability to destroy a 200+ million isk ship with a ship that only cost a few million is unbalanced. Gankers should be forced to incur higher expenses to achieve their desired goal. I agree with most of the people wanting a buff to mining barges and exhumers. I don't think that ganking should be made impossible though; just more difficult.

To conclude, gank if you want to, but try to morally justify what you are doing. Realize and accept that you are ganking simply to have fun at some other player's expense. You do it to try to ruin some other human's fun. Ganking is not evil. Mining is not evil. Both are allowed, and acceptable, methods of playing in the sandbox. If you want to stomp on other kids' sandcastles, go ahead. But be prepared for the day you get punched in the face for doing it to the wrong kid.

Fly safe (for the miners) / Get Concordokkened (for the gankers)
--Armored Phoenix

I just shoot miners because it amuses me.

As a hisec miner, I have more respect for this pilot, than the OP. Hell, atleast this one is telling the truth.