EVE General Discussion

I think miners are sad sad people but you sir take the cake

Edit - and of coarse i didn't read it all

Another reason Goons shoot random people is because they're all random pubbies who don't understand **** when it's spelled out for them

also James 315 is definitely not the mittani, I don't know how you could possibly draw that conclusion. They've both denied it, too, in case you were not swayed by my previous assertion.

And the OP is totally an aspie psycho.

I read the first two pages then lost interest - just one question however did the OP mention where the ore for the ships was gonna come from without miners ?

#1) Miners counterbalance inflation to some extent. They produce most of the raw material that produces ships
Contrast to mission runners who produce lots of ISK and little "real" value

#2) Miners provide squishy targets for those "humans" that like pulling the trigger - much easier targets than mission runners, who can be just as braindead.
Consider a rattlesnake missioner: Load FOF missiles, turn on hardeners, warp into mission, launch drones, turn on launchers, do a soduku.
Why do you hate the miner and not the missioner? I suspect you do hate the missioner, but aren't willing to spend the ISK to take them out as they have much stronger buffers. I occasionally mine or mission semi AFK just to get some ISK to fund other things.
Then there is the incursion blitzer:
Warp to OTA, AA DD (D) if alone, if contesting, shoot augas first then Deltoles, put drons on frigs. If logi, repair those taking the most damage. Its almost robotic.
You can also often get fairly nice loot. I have more respect for the incursion gankers than the miner gankers.

#3) Miners obviously do take risks, as they are suicide ganked. You provide the risk. When its 100% certain you lose your ship, its not a risk, its a cost, the only risk a suicide ganker takes is that he won't kill the target before losing his ship.
As a suicide ganker, unless you have a really low sec status, you are nearly untouchable before starting your attack. Unless people suicide attack you.... losing a ship to try and stop losing a ship... not a viable proposition.

#4) Miners have less room for adaptation, the mining ships cant fit a decent tank, they can't fight back, and they cant get protection because Concord protects the suicide gankers prior to the suicide attack. The miners only option is to flee
It is for this reason I proposed some changes:
* Allow players to attack other players with low security ratings without Concord intervention. I made a thread on this, but basically if your security rating is such that NPC police attack you in 0.7 space, other players can attack you in 0.5 space (or 0.8 and 0.6)
Let players attempt to kill the suicide gankers before they suicide ganker starts his attack

*Add "Q ships" (aka combat ships that mimic miners, or ships that can be fit to be effective miners, or OK combat craft, but not both at the same time) so that miners can actually fight back

die to a hail of blaster fire

Are you talking about your alliance or to the OP? :smug:

You know what the problem is with this forum?

In the morning, this thread and all the other great playgrounds created while the sun was set will be locked and/or moved.

These forums have a defining storyline. Jobber alts, heels, faces, grudges, long running feuds. But only when the sun goes down over Iceland, only when darkness crawls across the land do the shadows thin enough for the warriors to gaze upon their true faces.

Your posts are temporary. Their legacy endures.

EVE By Night.

I am proud to forum warrior during PST.

I agree with you, we should all man up and make the world a better place by committing the crime of assault against random citizens of our respective countries instead of shooting pixels in a space game *thus proving our wimpyness*.

Read the entire thing and enjoyed it greatly.

However for the exact reasons you've written, I hate the Highsec Mission runner even more. They are every bit the same as Highsec Miners yet are not as vulnerable to crusaders such as yourself.