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CCP Eterne is a "Community Representative and Live Events Author for EVE Online." I kinda doubt he (she?) has much of a hand in the industry changes. Devblogs aren't some sort of scarce resource that require the entire output of the company to pen -- they can have their non-developer and non-designer folks put out devblogs without somehow choking off the potential for others.

That being said, I feel your weariness.

Given my costing scenario, let's assume I move all my manufacturing the furthest reaches of high sec. (Because my time is infinite and has no value). Let's further assume that I am paying, oh, I dunno, 3% in this hinterland. I am still faced with over a 15,000 fold increase on my costs, or around 30 million ISK / hour / NPC mfg slot.

Let's further examine someone who has built say, T1 Domi's at an NPC station. Now, the option of them moving far away to avoid high slot costs is impossible, because moving packaged Domi's in a freighter long distance is just a mess.
So let's say this hypothetical Domi builder has a BPO PE of 10 and manufactures at a NPC slot.
At current prices in Amarr, a Domi has an average of buy/sell of around 180 million, so will use that as the valuation.
Because hauling is so dangerous and such a huge pain, the builder is far enough away to incur a 10% tax.
It takes about 3 hours, 15 min to build the Domi at the station. He is now looking at a slot cost of 5.5 million / hour / slot to build at the station. If he runs 10 slots , that is 55 million / hour.

So let's say he moves even further out, and incurs ONLY a 5% tax. He is now looking at around 2.8 million / hour / NPC mfg slot , to run a single char in battleship manufacturing. If he runs 24 hours a day, with say 1 char = 10 slots, which is on the low end of a manufacturing setup, he is faced with taxes of 672 million ISK / day.

Let me break that down again:
One char
10 manufacturing slots on that char, running 24 hours/day, which is not abnormal
10 slots * 24 hours = 240 slot hours / day
Uses NPC station
NPC station slot tax is 5%
Makes Domi's, which have a valuation of 180 million
Manufacturing time is 3.25 hours per ship.
180 million * 5% = 9 million tax / 3.25 hours = 2.8 million tax / hour / slot
240 slot hours * 2.8 million tax / hour / slot = 672 million in taxes / day

Manufacturing at an NPC station now is utterly impossible to be profitable.

Right, sure.
Spoken by the guy who gets an 18% discount on his mineral costs, plus has been told by the dev's that null sec station slots costs will be significantly below high sec station slot costs.
Who will be able to price out any high sec competition in any market you choose.

i got told whatnow?

i mean, i assume that an upgraded amarr station (which can be upgraded to 230 slots) should ramp up much slower to 14% than a highsec 50 slot station because anything else would be ridiculous, but i'm still waiting on the actual details and i may be dissapointed.

however given that it starts at zero percent, and knowing how vast highsec is and that virtually every system has a station, I'm pretty sure there's going to be plenty of low-cost slots in highsec - just not right next to jita

(our discount on mineral costs though is not 18%: it's 20% if you ignore pos refineries, 15.4% if you don't)

wait you're still trying to cover your hilarious mistake of complaining ccp yitterbum had insider info aren't you

Okay, perhaps it is a high/null re-balance. I had seen (and agreed with) the idea of drastically reducing high sec station slots and upping the null outpost slots.

I could see where they do NOT want to cut high sec slots. They do nt want the VERY significant portion of the player base that lives in high sec, and is NEVER going to move out, to log in, try to play, find nothing to do.... then drop their subscriptions.

This is why high sec belts are never going to go away (or even be nerfed back to teh point they were all mined out). Lack of high sec resources does NOT push people to null, it pushes them out of the game.

So, much higher slot prices would ensure that they are not "totally blocked", just lower profit.


However, if it were ONLY about re-balance, then why apply the cost structure to null at all? 14% cost added to high sec, 0% to null. Then the cost/risk of shipping goods into high sec would be sure to be rewarded with higher profit margins. Some things are easy enough to move to justify the profit, while other items (ammo) are too big and cheap (ammo), that people would not build in null and move it in.



What I do think you are definitely onto is that there is a shift in CCP thinking on the way of implimenting risk v. reward. Previous attempts focused on buffing null. Those were largely disasters as it exploded isk creation and concentration. If I could suddenly make twice as much ISK ratting null, the bosses with the titans doubled my rent. My profits didn't really change that much, but the wallets of the bosses got way fatter, very quickly.

So, now they are looking for ways to "rebalance" that do nto involve buffing null, but rather nerfing high.... which is what has the high sec player base (a huge portion of CCP's income) so concerned.



Perhaps CCP could finally do something about the #1 bat to teh head of null profitability... the cloaky camper.

What good is it that I can make 2x the isk/hr in null, if I spend over half my time sitting in station because there is NOTHING that can be done about a cloaky camper. Give us something, anything, that makes it possible to hunt down and kill a claoky camper! Poof, null sec profitability skyrockets!!!

I wouldn't say it's only about the highsec-nullsec balance, but I think that's the biggest factor here. I think the main reason to export the cost scaling to nullsec would be that 1) slots are a big problem for null and 2) without slots OR scaling costs, null manufacturers could just do everything in null hubs. I think they want to put the null industrialists on an even playing field with high, not make it easy for the goons to turn VFK into an industrialist utopia.

This is a pretty popular game on eve-o.

Read again.

The "tax" is what players will control, and that money goes to the station owner. The part they do not control will be the "cost" that serves as an ISK drain to remove ISK from the game (if goes nowhere).



But they are too small to sufficient.




Because most business owners are focused on micro-economics, which is intuitive. What we're dealing with on large scale is macro-economics, and that is very often counter-intuitive because of the massive feed back loops. Economists call it the paradox of thrift. What is good at the micro level, such as spending less than you earn, is bad to impossible at the macro level, where total spending must equal total income and savings is just a drain of money from active circulation that can only be replaced by borrowing new money into existence.

Most of the economic hyperbole comes from the people that are focused on micro-economics, and do not understand macro-economics. I can't tell you how many people I've encountered that dismiss macro-economic mathematically tautology as "Liberal hogwash" or "Keynesian Nonsense).

CCP Ytterbium, the 5% reduction is a good addition for POS manufacturing but will you be removing the 10% penalty for T2 ship production at a POS?