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The last few pages of this thread have been quite educational, I must say.

What you are talking about is not profit or loss from manufacturing, but rather from market moves.

At the time you decided to put the job into invention, your profit from invention was set. Now, perhaps it was unrealizable profit, because the market moved before you got a chance to sell, and you took a market loss. Two totally different things, and you REALLY should look at them differently.

In null, one station has perfect refine, and lots of people mine there. PvPers rally out of a different system 10 jumps away, and theyre are actually open manufacturing slots there.

I buy my minerals sub market in the mining hub, That is market profit.
I move the minerals to where the slots are, where minerals are worth more. That is transportation profit.
I manufacture. Tiny manufacturing profit.
I manipulate the markets in the PvP rally hub by ensuring the PvPers have to pay top dollar when they need something fast. That is marketing profit again.

If I happen to pick up an expensive BPC from a rat drop, that is PVE profit.
If I build from that BPC and sell for high price, the entire sale price is not profit. Only the tiny markup between input (including the BPC) price and sale price (not including my market manipultion profits of getting the PvPers to pay above going rate).

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Thread reopened.

14% of 0 is still 0.

im easy with the changes but omfg the new UI looks like a 5 year old did a drawing and ccp made that the UI

A slightly divergent to topic discussion but related item.

Since changes are going to be made to BP removing extra materials it might be a good idea to address BPOs that have unusually low Max runs.

One example would be the Nanite Repair Paste Blueprint it is classified as a charge however it max run limit is 5 and each run producing 10 units. I'm quite sure there are others, likely not more than 20 at most, but that one just happened to jump out at me.

Back to the main aspects of the discussion. A clarification of the POS "tax" since towers with arrays and outpost stations both fall under the same acronym (Player Owned Structure/Starbase) which technically e POCO is as well, obviously a POCO doesn't have research or manufactering lines so definately not related to question but pointed out the ambaguity of the acronym.

a. If a player owned station where to go into some sort of "overdrive" to handle higher density of jobs an added automatic surcharge makes sense especially since it would put more demands on line (much like overheating modules)

b. In the case of arrays and mobile labs I see no point in making capacity scalable other than using more arrays or labs

In either instance a "TAX" is not appropriate, in the particulars A is in player owned territory and any surcharge for exceeding capacity should be reflected in by the indication anything exceeding capacity would use more resources and require significantly more maintence and preferably an optional feature. In the instance of B capacity shouldn't be dynamic apart from adding more within the limits of what CPU and Powergrid is available to draw from. A tax applied to the production based on the demand density in a system could only be perceived as a subsidy to some 3rd (NPC) party.

Also in a more refined and detailed reiteration of my position of removing standing requirements from high-sec:

Towers and arrays in high-sec with the given productions they can do and the fact that they are only legal targets in the case of war the only time that a large risk of production loss is valid is in the production of batches or individual items taking a long run time and cost expensive resources to be cancelled and unanchored. Cancelling jobs and unanchoring labs is down right trial, especially when operations use a mitigating strategy of doing research a couple levels at a time or whatever can be accomplished in a 3 to 7day window.

Individuals and groups will only defend territory or assets if they have a vested interest to do so, case and point the change to POCO's corporations and alliances will and do defend those since they are static assets, the only other parallels I see are those who can not replace a tower in high-sec via standing or those in low who find a marginally decent moon to mine.

I shall attempt to refine and reiterate these positions until they are understood or are debunked as misconception on my part

Update!

• All R.A.M. and R.Db. volume has been reduced from 4m3 to 0.04m3 to accommodate for their new required numbers.
• All Starbase Assembly arrays now have a 5% material reduction cost for all manufacturing jobs - except for the Capital Ship Array.
• All Starbase Mobile Laboratories have a further 5% time reduction for all research jobs - except for Reverse Engineering Laboratory.
• Blueprints that use the remote starbase feature before summer hits, but that are delivered after the summer release will automatically be moved back at the original station (not the starbase) location. This is a one-time only move to make sure current jobs are not screwed by the changes.

Example:


• BobTheClever installs Megathron Blueprint in Dodixie NPC station and use his corporation Starbase to research ME on it right now. Estimated delivery date is after the summer release. When he delivers the research ME job, the researched Megathorn blueprint will delivered back at the NPC station.

5% material reduction.

Gah. That's a /major/ change.

So this has likely been asked earlier in this thread, but:

Are the moon POSes getting the infinite slot treatment?
Will there be NPC costs to using them?
Will the stats on the modules be adjusted for fitting?
Will there be new bonuses if so?
Am I going to need the same relative logistics or will there be a new element to this aspect?