Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with the CSM on this (that really bothers me) - With the numbers tweaked the burst mechanic would be very good..

Reload needs to be no more than 25 seconds (20 seconds would be ideal)
25 missile clip for RLML
30 missile clip for RHML
Damage application bonuses on battleships need to apply (when I load furies using rhml, I want to engage another battleship, not a T2 cruiser or lightly tanked battle cruiser)
Instant type swap when the clip is full.


Problem is - It will never get done.
CCP Rise got the answer he wanted, giving him an out (blame CSM) and no reason to do anything further. At least not in the near future.
Had CSM voted for rollback, CCP Rise would have had to face a choice = Roll back OR Tweak mechanic.

Of course asking the CSM this type of question when they are unable to get feedback from those they purport to represent is not the best way to go if you want valid answers.

CSM never has and never will be representative of the Eve player base and will only ever represent the minority group each belong to. (which by looking at the current group up for election is getting narrower and narrower in focus)

Every day until I bleed - make rapid launchers work like missile launchers from mechwarrior

Except that a year later all of the other long range medium turrets were buffed to where HMLs used to live. So with the range, damage and application nerfs that heavies kept they are utterly crap compared to beams, rails, and arties.


Rapids are plain untenable. Totally garbage, all of them.

That and some missile mechanics from this decade and missiles would be in good enough shape for turret pilots to once again flood the forums with tears.

I don't see how being speed tanked by battlecruisers and the odd battleship is even remotely comparable to railguns in deep falloff. When planning for an assault ship what points do we consider? Don't you too find mono damage types to be a bit narrow and penalising - especially on caldari ships which lose 25% of their dps when nit shooting kinetic?

That implies certain things about missiles which I don't feel are true. Observe how missiles work best in brawling range with webs on the target. Contrast with turrets which work best while kiting (even in scram range).

So when we find complimentary ships and play styles we observe that
1. medium and large missiles have explosion velocities at 150m/s or lower

and that most ships are faster than this natively except industrial ships.

2. sig radius for missiles is typically under a target of the same size catagory

compare with turrets where if I'm not mistaken they're based on the average sig radius for a given target with armour tanking minmatar being slightly under and most caldari ships being slightly over this turret sig threshold.

3. the damage calculator for missiles favours the comparison of target velocity versus explosion velocity for the purposes of applying damage reductions. When the velocity ratio reaches or exceeds 1 then the formula compares explosion vs target sig radius.

turrets suffer a linear degradation of applied dps due to range as the major fsctor while tracking determines likelihood of a shot landing. A stationary target is treated the same as a moving target only the relative transversals of the two ships really matters for tracking.

those 3 simple thoughts in mind make a rapier/huginn/hyena or any new blood raider ship much more valuable to a missile gang than to turret gang as the velocity of your target dirrctly influences your applied dps while a turret user mostly only needs to orbit within 5% of his optimal. Similarly target painters are of limited utility to turret users unless they're shooting targets significantly smaller than their gun sig resolution - because missile users are highly unlikely to push a target under 200m/s in the first place the influence of sig which is factored second can pretty much be discarded. Turret users are more likely to benefit target painters in situations where they don't have established control of the field and where they're shooting afterburner equipped and/or small targets.

1. That's fair. Long range missile gangs ought to bring some target painters and rig their ships appropriately.

2. but then there are no rigs to decrease the sig radius of guns.

3. Not quite. turret damage multiplied by (hit_chance - 50% + random(0 to 100%)), capped to 100%, with a small chance of a critical hit. So transversal and range affect not only the hit chance but also the damage applied as well.

You are correct about minmatar recon ships and EA frigates. They are a very powerful force multiplier in a medium range gang. Particularly since they have bonuses for both target painting and webs, which directly help missile application.

After ECM, they should be top of anyone skirmishing gang's target list.

You know the Navy Drake is only a decent sniper with 1 Missile type (Navies) and then only with a booster in fleet to allow it to hit past 75k?
As far as Missile Battleships may work in WH space pvp, unless your in a sizable fleet they are generally more likely to end up fodder in known space. With the exception of lowsec gate camps (smart bombing Raven is quite common) where the target rarely gets to shoot back.

Be interesting to see if people fit them to the new Rattlesnake.

Once you pass BC IV there is basically no point in ever loading anything except kinetic (also applies to tengu) whatever damage you make up in resistance holes you pay back in damage that you plain aren't doing.