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hmm no his wrong.if not way dont we just remowe al rec from the game like sp LP,so the only thing you need is to gett monny for titan,O yes bay plex insta titan pilot sounds cool but not sure for howe longe,

Assuming it's not a large dickstar and you throw subcaps at it and do nothing for hours. The 'Tar Baby'' variant can be particularly aggravating that way: webbed, scramed, and unable to target a damn thing until eventually the three missile launchers get pointed at you. And, yes, larges can do that to a very large number of people at once.

lol... this is always the same defence made by T2 BPO owners... over and over again. But, only a small handful of the T2 BPOs which were seeded by the lottery have ever been made publicly available for trade over the years; most of them remain a perk of the original owners and/or their friends.

And, if the T2 BPO's "aren't all that what people make them out to be", then why always the objection to removing them from the game?

Accept that you have already received full value for the use of T2 BPOs over the years, and accept that certain old features should be removed, when long past their time of productively contributing to the game. And, please stop your whining. You should be grateful that you have been able to milk this feature for so many years.

I give that having 1 T2BPO is not really an advantage. It will be post patch if the copy speed is reduced to below the manufacturing time. (though not by much, but still really CCP) Their main advantage is when pools of owners congregate(you know what I'm talking about) and use them to control the low volume markets. Low volume markets are where new players and low SP indy players need to get into the game. not in the high volume side of things. and thats where the true unfair advantage to them come in.


What really bothers me is the confusion of not having them seeded to the market like T1's. For a new player that is just getting into industry they think ok I can make this T1 now and later I'll get the T2BPO for it and start making that. they train manufacturing skills to be able to produce those T2 items only to find out down the road that there are no T2BPOs attainable at their level. that really they should have become inventors if they really wanted to make a profit. Lets face it Eve industry is hard enough as it is with getting the bpo's, getting the mats, finding a market, playing both the buy and sell markets for both your building mats and your finished goods and thats not even getting into researched copy side of things if you really want to up your profits.

What CCP has created is 2 systems that dont work together that leads to lots of confusion about how things are built at that level of the game. The best solution that I can think to resolve this now is simply turn them into T2BPC's with the invention flag turned on. Where ever they've been researched to is where they'll be at forever. Whether that can be coded I dont know, but it would force them to have to be invented to be copied. they could then take all that useless crap like r.db's out of the game and just move on.

high faction standings are necessary for any trader for cutting broker fees and taxes in jita (or their preferred station) as those fees eat up huge parts of their margin

since bots, once caught, can't be sold standings characters for sale are now rare and they're extremely valuable because there's a lot more traders who want a standings character but don't want to grind than there are characters for sale

Yea, noone ever bought the participation of a high standing character in his corp to deploy a pos, no interaction or gameplay to find here folks, move along.

I mean the way you are arging you could be arguing in favor of abolishing skill requirements on t2 mods or the prohibitive cost of capships...

Not everything that makes the game more streamlined is good, especially if its combined "we want players to do XYZ".

I mean what is the bottom line here, are you really interested in null being nerfed for the carebears a few years from now?

If you had bothered to read the entire post, you would have happened upon the part where I said:



Character sales and corp sales for standings for the purpose of anchoring highsec pos are an example of a niche lubricating an antiquated system. Furthermore, the benefits are STILL binary -- you spend some isk to shortcut the standings grind, and you have the whole oyster.

A better use of standings is, as we'd been talking about, market taxes. I possess a character with decent Caldari State standings; somewhere around the 6 or 7 area, I forget exactly. However, this isn't as good as it could be -- I can reap greater rewards by either running missions to increase my standings (barftastic!) or purchasing a character with higher standings (WTB caldari state 9.0+ character).

Attempting to equate this with abolishing skill requirements or ship costs is a false equivalency. Neither of these are binary benefits; skills (in most cases) continue to benefit the thing for which they are required, and costs are obviously a non-binary barrier to entry.

Maybe thats the whole point. Our rising power means we dont need permission of the empire's to anchor a tower. See we got this lore thing sorted!

Ones workaround is another ones gameplay as the classic says, quoted loosely.

I do think we should finally learn that lesson after 5 years of mmos tanking.

Or is "gameplay" only supposed to be available to those who meet the stringent requirements of "have rubbed their face against the cheese grater of Eve: Online standings for a sufficient amount of time?"