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It's here because CCP said they would look at reducing the copy times. Right now many industrialists don't have a problem with them because of the high copy time and production volume restrictions balance with invention. If you start changing that without a positive balancing change to invention, then it looks like you are favoring T2 BPO owners over invention. Then of course whenever something like this happens, the same t2 bpo comments over the last 7 years get pulled out and thrown back and forth.

Basically, by saying that they would make a change they stirred up the hornets nest and acknowledged they were open to making changes to T2 BPOs, something unthinkable for many of us. For something that's pissed off a number of people in the last 7 years, in a thread with a dev comment on it, why would you expect anything other than a heated debate about it regardless of numbers?

We all have our opinions of T2 BPOs and given the lack of focus on industry until now, this is probably the best and probably only time to get your opinion in front of someone that could do something about it. Might as well put in your two cents now.

While this makes sense, and I'd assume that would be CCP's plan, I did not see this explicitly stated. Did I miss a dev comment proclaiming this?

Link: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4474706#post4474706

Great, thanks for clarifying this.

CCP giveth and CCP taketh away...

Taking away the useless and cumbersome "Extra Materials"...Good thing

Taking away the standings requirements for POS anchoring...I'm neutral and also curious about what standings will mean now short of being able to travel in Empire space unimpeded by their respective military's.

Taking away designated slots in stations when combined with the change to remote research of BPO's just means that slots normally used for production will be filled with BPO's in research and the barrier to entry for small manufacturers will go up significantly. This in turn will affect the price of Ammo, small mods etc as most larger manufacturers focus on Hulls and T2 items. This change will cause tears in the short term and I don't think CCP has thought out the chain of events that this will unleash.

Taking away the ability to remote research/manufacture BPO's is forcing everyone who makes manufacturing a career into a style of game play they do not want(at least on those respective alts). I think its very troubling that CCP believes the risked BPO's will probably be cruiser or below. Most manufacturers I know only build battlecruisers and above in POS's leaving the smaller items and hulls to entry level manufacturers in stations. The unknown in this is the revised BPO copy times, done correctly this issue becomes moot and the risk more manageable.

My take from all this is simply that CCP needs to release all the Dev Blogs more quickly so that training and tactics can be amended accordingly. Additionally CCP should have made this Dev blog the first in the series as it is a much larger strategic change than reprocessing ever was.

So I already pay my 500mil or so a month for POS fuel, I did my missions (or in my case paid someone else to get me standings), and now I will be taxed to use the same POS on top of fuel, while I also need to put my BPO's in said POS to do what I do today...

Not liking some of this tbh. I can get over the changes for most part, but taxing the POS is strange to me, I alrady pay my tax via the fuel & charters.

This sounds more and more like nothing but a change to create a major isk sink.

There's alot to be excited about here but I'm sorry, something more better be explained soon about the benefits of taking billions upon billions in ISK of capital prints to a POS. And it would seem that the lockdown mechanic (for better or worse) is dead. The POS research better yield not just a minor, but rather a substantial cost / value for blueprint production, and this also means that a corp and/or individuals now have to remain on 24 hour war Dec watch? People do have lives outside the game, if you didn't know. Do you think it would be possible to keep some kind of standings mechanic that would allow you to either use the NPC station for remote POS research or drop a new structure for BPOs to provide concord "protection"? Then you can still have an ISK sink, but something that falls in between the proposed station charge and the unprotected POS?

My overall concern is the babysitting aspect of this and I can only count on one hand folks I would ever trust to pick up my Capital library and move, emergency or not.

Alliance POS Usage
Researching

Currently in EVE there is no way for another corp (whether in the same alliance or not) to open up a POS structure containing a corp hangar and see inside it, unless you are the owning POS corp. Another corp CAN put items into an array but they disappear into a black hole lost forever (or until a GM retrieves them).

That alone is the cause of why POS alliance and public research is broken.

Since you now know that you can assume correctly that an alliance corp (not the POS owning corp) cannot do ANY of the following things:

They cannot use ANY of the manufacturing arrays
They cannot do invention, BP copying or tech II BPO research at a POS Lab
They cannot use a corp hangar array
The reason they cannot do the above is simple, to build anything in a manufacturing array requires the materials to be in the manufacturing arrays corp hangar. Since only the owning POS corp can see in that hangar it's impossible for anyone else to do manufacturing at the array. If another corp does put items into the manufacturing array they disappear into a black hole.

They cannot do invention for the same reason, invention requires materials to be inside the POS Lab array, same applies to Tech II BPO researching, the job requires materials to do so you cannot do the job.

Blueprint copying produces a BPC inside the Lab array and since only the owning corp can access it the blueprint copy another corp produces would not be accessible. In fact I'm pretty sure due to changes in the recent patches that you cannot put a copying job on now anyway, for the reasons already stated above.

That means the BPO has to be put in a corp hangar (cannot be put on from a personal hangar) in a station or outpost in the same solarsystem as the POS, this means the corp must have an office in that station and be part of the same alliance.

The Scientific Networking skill does NOT change this requirement, the SN skill simply allows you to be remote to the BPO and POS Labs, it still requires the BPO to be in a corp hangar in a station or outpost in the same solarsystem as the POS Labs.

The only jobs that do not require materials or output anything is Tech I ME and PE research, so an alliance corp is limited to this.

Lol read my post about 5 above yours, I said same thing.. We already pay taxes, fuel and risk. Now they want us to take more risk with BPO's, okay will work it out, but now they want me to pay tax to build in the POS just like the station as well.. Its nothing but an isk sink.