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Yeh sorry i dont care for a redesign thats still possibly 2 years out. ALl i know is i will not be researching bpos from a pos again, All the mobile labs i have are useless. CCP's statement about how they want to give people the chance to react to a pos being reffed is beyond ******** as no alliance had the snap numbers in absolutely every tz to counter a 20 man dread fleet hitting a pos and stop them instantly. This is just a way for ccp to put some of the big time bpos out of commission to bring the value of them up. I honestly cant thing of any other reason for ccp to do this as they arnt stupid enough to actually think the reasons they gave.

Most of the time is spent waiting for the wardec to start.

It is perfectly reasonable to give someone notice that you are going to attack their hi-sec assets. It is perfectly reasonable for them to respond. I doubt very much that any future mechanic would ever circumvent the wardec without replacing it with a similar notice period. So whatever timespan you are hoping for isn't very realistic.

Lost in the noise? What?

You must be assuming that across the board, production from T2 BPOs is only a very tiny fraction of total supply (like maybe under 15%. Here, a 20% increase in T2 BPO production would be only 3% increased total production... nosie.

For some items, T2 supply exceeds demand, and those are unprofitable to invent. There have to be some items where the T2 BPO supply is not a very tiny fraction of demand. I'm not saying 90% is BPO and 10% is invention.

If 50% of an item is currently coming from T2 BPO, and production is increased by 20% from reduced copy time, we're looking at 10% excessive supply. That is not "noise". That is falling prices until people stop inventing.

Profit on invented items is so slim that you can't count on falling prices increasing demand. Instead, falling prices will make it unprofitable to invent, and invention will decline until supply and demand are back in balance.



If, indeed, most items that are currenlty profitable to invent are only 10% supplied by BPO and 90% from invention, then perhaps changes to BPO production are just "nosie" as you say. I just find it hard to beleive that is true for all T2 items that are currenlty profitable to invent.

It seems that you have missed all of my points and statements and are just continuing to argue to waste some time. I don't claim the things you state here. I never claimed that T2 BPO production capabilities would effect inventor production capabilities, only their profits, prices, and market volume. I never predicted a major movement in prices and can happily agree to entertain different predictions while we have so little data. I am not sure why you are even replying to me when you are not addressing my real arguments. I guess we both just have a bit of extra time on our hands.

My original post to you was merely noting that supply and demand work and that I don't want to see any tipping of the scales towards T2 BPO holders.



I hope that you are correct. Perhaps you are referring to the addition of copying as an expected activity to maximize T2 BPO production. That should increase the effort on their part. Both parties should have similar reductions in copying time. That actually leads me to another thought that the current total production capacity in EVE will be able to produce more T2 items. It would seem a reduction in T2 prices (nothing said about profits) is on order.

But that is just ignorance. Changing the reality will not change the ignorance of that reality.

T2 BPOs are very close to irrelevant for both the new player and the average inventor. It would not be possible to make them significantly less relevant without taking fairly extreme action. No great benefit would be gained from that extreme action. The people who like to complain about things they don't understand will still be complaining about things they don't understand. Along with that you would have diminished or destroyed one of the few aspirational objectives available to the high end industrialist.

Or just wardec it, shoot it down, then retract the wardec. 48 hours from go to whoa. If that's too much effort, you didn't deserve that POS anchoring position anyway.

You said that higher BPO output somehow yields lower invention output, and you said this in response to my saying that the higher output of BPOs won't hurt investors. I'm saying it does not because they two are not connected.

And my original post already noted that inventors won't be particularly affected by that minute alteration on the supply side.

^^ Pretty much. The alternative mechanic discussed in the other thread would rather trade longer time for less risk exposure (on both sides), with the intent that it only ever have any effect on truly abandoned POSes.

Given that EVE is a sandbox game, I would have thought that their intention would be to let us figure out for ourselves what the best solution is for our own individual needs. Given that the tools provided allow for a fairly diverse selection of solutions to the same problem, it does kind of look that way.

I'm wanting to know how invention and T2 BPOs will be affected during this, if at all.

But they ARE connected. Demand will not change. BPO supply + invented supply mus equal demand for prices to be stable.

If more are being produced from BPO, then fewer can be produced from invention, without putting negative pressure on price.


You continue to assert that any increase in T2 BPO production would just be "noise" in total production. Evidence indiacte there are some T2 items where BPO production accounts for 90+% of total production.. In those cases, even a modest increase in T2 BPO production woudl be MUCH MORE than just noise.