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Theng is totally right.
Having to constantly physically move thousands of blueprints around to your dozens of POSes will be a nightmare after this. And it's not even just moving an item from station to POS, but it's managing the items in all your individual POS arrays.

Not to mention the fact that you can't lockdown BPOs in POSes.

I'm not even a major industrialist and I have over a hundred BPOs and thousands of BPCs. This is adding so much additional and unnecessary work.

You will be able to see all your blueprints in assembly arrays etc and remotely start jobs from containers, so that should cover your use case.

EDIT: There is also a nice search / filter interface, you will get some time on SiSi to give us feedback on how this works before we go live too.

I'm slightly concerned about the removal of standings requirements for high-sec POSes. POS spam is bad, and should be something reserved for high-end industrial corps, not every 1-month old character with Anchoring III and a ton of ISK from selling a PLEX.

Maybe change how those standings requirements are used?

Something like instead of charters as fuel, you're required to pay the soverign empire a certain amount of ISK every month for anchoring rights, or else their navy shows up and blows your POS to hell? That way a corp with mixed members can just pay the fee (opening up high-sec POSes to larger corps that may have diverse members, but consequently, better tax income), while a small, focused corp can still get in the door.

Given that you want people to move to POS industry, any chance you can just delete the 8 million different POS factory things and make a more sensible set of them? Give people efficient/fast and just a few sizes, but don't make us anchor 15 different stupid factories and move stuff between then?

Also, as was mentioned above, people *need* to be able to see into their POS inventories remotely, without having to use the API (especially because the assets API is, what, a 6 hour cache time?). The API also currently doesn't return ME/PE levels for BPOs/BPOs, so it isn't a real replacement anyway.

Overall, I like the changes except removing the faction standings requirement for anchoring POSes in highsec. I think the standing requirement should stay to cut down on the amount of POSes.

I do have a few questions:

-What will the impact be to systems with FW systems upgrade levels? There is now no point to some of the bonuses.

-Can you elaborate on the copy cost in NPC stations?

-Will GMs provide assistance unlocking BPOs? I currently have about 1000 BPOs locked down in a station with my POSes. That system won't be ideal for the new changes and I'm really dreading spending 20+ hours clicking to unlock those BPOs.

-Additionally, will there be changes to the BPO lock/unlock process? I foresee the need to copy a lot of BPOs going forward. This may require moving stations/systems if they become too crowded and the MASSIVE SOUL SUCKING CLICKFEST of locking/unlocking BPOs will prevent me from moving.

-Did you think about the impact to new industrialists? It will really no longer be viable to perform PE/ME research on expensive BPOs. It is too risky for newer players to place them into POSes and it will not be possible to research them in highsec due to high prices and/or long wait times.

The cost scaling will affect all build/research locations, including conquerable stations and outposts. All slot limitations are being removed everywhere in EVE, and locations that formerly had slot bonuses will receive other bonuses instead. More info on that will be in future blogs.

Station owners will be able to set part of the cost of running jobs (in the form of taxes), but other parts of the cost will be out of the owner's control. Costs will not ever be able to be set to zero. Again, more info on this will be available in the upcoming blogs.

I would encourage you to reconsider the copy times change on T2 BPOs. Making copy times shorter than build times on those BPOs is de facto making them even better money printers than (some of them, at least) already are--if a T2 BPO owner used to be able to manufacture 10 items per day, now he will be able to manufacture 12 per day at essentially the same unit cost (yes, I just made those numbers up). This pushes small-scale T2 producers who rely on invention out of business, since the supply from the cheaper T2 BPOs will be increasing.

TL;DR: making copying times shorter than production times for T2 BPOs will concentrate more wealth in the hands of already-wealthy people and hurt small-scale industrialists. Please don't do it.

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Aaaanyway.

A few immediate things to suggest that have be gnawing at me for years now: the new UI, could you please make it installation-centric rather than blueprint centric? I think this is by far the most annoying thing that creates repeat clicks in the current system, and by the look of your mockup, it'll actually still be there. It's nice that the image shows all the information in one go, but it doesn't look like it solves the actual workflow issue.

The problem is this: you want to manufacture 20 Eagles from 10 BPCs (because you're a bit daft), so you rclick the first BPC → manufacture → select location → accidentally double-click and get an error → accept the error → select a slot → select input/output (because the game doesn't always remember these) → accept → accept, rclick the second BPC → manufacture → select location → accidentally double-click and get an error → accept the error → select a slot → select input/output (because the game still doesn't always remember these) → accept → accept, rclick the third BPC → manufacture → select location → accidentally double-click and get an error → accept the error → select a slot → select input/output (aaargh) → accept → accept … etc. Sever more to go, RSI here we come.

Since everything remains the same for every step, the only thing you should ever have to do is pick a BPC and accept. This means you should be able to pick a location once; pick input and output once; and preferably only click accept once per BP. Also, since you're getting rid of slots, a lot of that selecting should be completely unnecessary now.

Instead, the workflow should be something along the lines of:
Select location → set input/output if you haven't already, and make the game remember this for the rest of its life so the next time, this step isn't even part of the process → get a list of applicable blueprints for this location → drag all 10 blueprints you want to work with onto the stack and see the material requirements count up as you add more → everything checks green? price acceptable? click accept.

By starting with the location instead of the blueprint, you'd get a far more logical and consistent set-up flow for multiple jobs and it would be far easier to collate the results and costs in one place.


A second thing I wonder about is how this will affect POSes? Yes, “we'll soon have the numbers” but I wonder about the cost part of the equation. Since slot count is infinite and replaced by increasing costs, what happens if there is no cost to begin with? Will POS owners now have to pay CONCORD tax to use their own assembly arrays? And with infinite production lines, do you have any plans on adjusting the cargo space so you can actually make use of that production capacity without constantly brushing up against space limitations?

Again, I understand that we'll get the numbers later — I'm just wondering if it is being adjusted. In the same vein, will you make assembly arrays more universal? One of the most annoying things right now is that, regardless of skills, you simply can't remote manufacture properly in a POS — you have to build some components in one place, some on another, and the final product in a third, and you have to be at the POS to move the bits around to the right spot. Again, I suspect that you don't want to dive into the POS code right now, but this more than anything is what keeps complex manufacturing out of POSes and what keeps stations and outposts as the only sane option, with their infinite shared space. If all arrays could at least make use of the same storage space (it doesn't even have to be infinite, just suitably large), be it a corp hangar or some new structure, and use that space as their shared input/output, it would become bearable again.


On the more critical side, I agree with some of the above posters that having to constantly move your blueprints around will be thoroughly annoying for large-scale producers — it's already annoying enough with just having to collect and use BPCs from all your copying labs. This ties into the issue of not being able to share I/O between arrays, so to mass-produce certain goods, you constantly have to flit about carrying the correct BP for the myriad of arrays you want to populate. You generally already have to set up a given POS for a specific task, but this just makes it a lot worse.

Also, as someone mentioned, will the removal of standings requirements (thank you!!!) open up more space in highsec, or is it still an implicit ”midsec” (<0.8) requirement to plunk down a POS?

I would, instead, consider the removal of T2 BPOs.

Making your game work logically and less over complicated is good. Well done!

I can't wait for the invention/production blog because that hole mass production process is bs. Mass producing using single run copy is a pain as you can only set one job at a time. I hoping that someday soon i will finally be able to select all 10 bpc and run 10 invention/manufacturing jobs at once.