Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah, and I am pretty sure that is the same people saying how powerful the Phantasm is going to be and at the same time forgetting it is not a tengu or loki with missiles, but a cruiser with the slowest tracking guns in the game.

And they even suggest fitting a 100mn AB to it, they must be smoking some good drugs.

Why shouldn't you have the same EC-300s/600s as other ships

More like long live rattlesnake ! With Ogres of course ;)).

phantasm could definitely do with a full set of lights too deal with frigs and it will need a neut so .. more pg and cap is needed really ... reduce the sig radius a little more would be good so it doesn't end up at 200 sig with extenders... maybe exchange some armour ... they are meant too be shield tanked anyway..

They aren't going to do that. The whole point seems to be that the ship is mismatched. That is why it appears powerful on paper, because you are going to have to contend with all of the contradictions in its fittings, stats, and bonuses.

For instance it appears like it is meant to go super fast, yet it cannot track when it does. And it appears as though it is meant to be shield tanked, although its sig rockets when it is countering the speed benefit. It appears as though it could be armour tanked, yet the base shield is substantially higher.

I think I can see what CCP Rise is doing, as this seems his style. It is kind of interesting, but the concept seems to be purposefully messy, and in practice it will be a lot weaker than it appears on paper.

The major problem for said frig is ... will it go faster than phantasm with ab on ? Sure 25 band would be cool on phantasm. But i have strong feeling it can actually outrun ab frigs in scram range LOL. Which is not bad at all hahaha.

And don't touch armor ... i can already see some armor tanked succubus/phantasm ! Not like it is bad. After all they drop armor modules all along ;).

You are looking for blood raiders

So basically fly an Ishtar

This is at least partially addressed in this thread already, but the Cynabal's only real advantages over Vagabond are when it comes to fitting 100mn and especially 720mm as well as the better agility. Even active 100mn seems to be in Vagabond's favor thanks to the advantages in capacitor, resists and active tanking bonus. And now you are nerfing the few things that makes the Cyna a potential competitor to Vagabond's across-the-board superiority, which are extreme freedom in fitting and near frigate-like agility. The Cynabal as it is is still a fine ship thanks to the few areas it still has some advantage to its competitors. If you can figure a good way to change the Angel ships by giving them an unique ability to enhance their inherent abilities in kiting then by all means, but don't hate the ship for the superiority it once had and certainly don't look to punish it for that now. Those times are long gone.

As a side note this looks like case Rifter all over again. At the moment of rebalance the devs state how awesome it still is, and how many times has it been buffed since that statement? 4? Try to forget what ships used to be and look at what they are now and how they will look in the future. Case Cynabal should be easy since you already have its prime competitor to compare it to. And considering it already is generally inferior to the competition there should be only one way for the ship and it certainly is not down.

Yay! I can use slow drones that don't have a chance in hell of making it back into my dronebay before getting blapped off the field!

Wait, what?