Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It gets 850 dps with hams w/o rage

does that include missiles in your numbers?

not remove, just nerf massively

3 web loki on a single nano mwding Deimos takes you down to ~320ms

Single Web Vigi takes you down to 260

If we're using blap dreads and gatecamps as a reason why 90% webs are so incredibly broken then I'm not really seeing a strong argument

The Phantasm is a broken concept imo. What is the point in having all that speed if the lasers cannot track and the shield bumps up the signature. And I notice the increase in low slots, so are we expected to armour tank this thing now?

Sansha just seems like a completely broken concept now.

And lol at all the people getting excited that the Phantasm will be travelling some ridiculous speed, completely forgetting the fact that it is not a tengu or a loki fitted with missiles, so your going to be hitting f all.

Edit - Why not just balance the armour and shield of the sansha ships now, including the succubus, because if you are seriously wanting to offer people a dual option to tank, then the stats should reflect that.

the relevance of frigates that aren't interceptors or very long range ewar frigates

True true, however the Vigilant is only going to get max ~18km webs while the Loki gets like 47km

You also have less mids to play around with depending on the configuration less tank but more speed and more dps

But I've never really seen 90% webs are broken, sure there could be some balancing effort made but its a nice bit of flavor and makes Serpentis ships useful

Will hold my opinions until the you fix the stats on the Ashimmu, instead of the obviously copy/pasted stats from the Cruor. Bah, who am I kidding? I can't hold my opinions... I think you've made an equally bad mistake with the Ashimmu, though I will admit you've made up for it some with a few of the other stat changes. Giving it more drones/cap/targetting range and a hair more mobility is nice, losing a high for a low is interesting, but whatever I can live with that. The PG nerf is, well it's a lot. I still feel strongly that you are making a mistake with the web change, but it will be less crushing on the Ashimmu which has slightly more range on it's neuts, and it's guns so it can actually use that extra range.

All that said, the fact that you gave the Serpentis a SPEED boost while allowing it to retain that 90% web is absolutely stupid, and so unbelievably backwards. They must have good dope in Iceland. I'll say it here just like I said it in the other thread, nerf the problem ships (Serpentis,) not the other ships (Blood Raiders) that just happen to have the same bonus but aren't considered a problem. I will never understand your logic, honestly. Also the release of that devblog you were waiting for has done nothing to help either of these (blood) ships. The only effect on pirate ship rebalancing was on the Guristas line, which you seem to have done a good job on. On that subject I will say you've done well with both Guristas and Sansha, however I've noticed a trend in your threads which is, they are the ONLY ships people seem to be excited to try out.

Well Currently the Vagabond is always going to be a stronger brawler (due to resists + shield boost bonus) and it still performs better than the Cynabal as a Disruptor range kiter with autocannon falloff. (Similar DPS/Projection to the Cynabal, only the Vaga offers more general improvements as listed before (Cap, sensor strength, Signature Radius MWD reduction, resist bonuses for friendly logistics etc.). The only role that the Cynabal really performed better than the Vagabond was with Artillery as the superior fitting options allowed the cynabal to fit Artillery without needing to make the same sacrifices that the Vagabond does. Which you have now removed. Honestly the current Cynabal is only really flown by people using Artillery or by people who don't have Heavy Assault Cruisers level 5.

I personally think you should probably revert the Powergrid nerfs and leave it as is. Then it's still the better option for people who want to use Artillery on a mobile platform.

What about giving the Cynabal a large drone bay (say 75m3-100m3), this would give it some synergy with the Dramiel which also has a large unbonused drone bay for a Frigate. So it would be able to increase damage output at the expense that these are un-bonused drones which can be picked off fairly easily (especially if the Cynabal is kiting at range) this would improve it as a Brawler without overlapping with the Vagabond, as the Cynabal would have higher DPS but not as tanky, and it would have the option to improve its DPS at range by using 73m5 combo or heavy drones, but this would be risky as there is a high probability that a smart target could kill them to remove damage, and they move slowly so would make the cynabal more at risk to small fast targets and potentially lower DPS vs other mobile ships.

Where's Dinsdale, this is yet another DEVASTATION of sentry drones by the null-sec mafia.

In seriousness though, the PG amounts on Cynabal and Gila are worrying me a lot.

Gila used to completely forgo any missiles since it was focused on the sentry range and lack of CPU after drone module. While these super-bonused mediums do a lot of damage, it's still a DPS increase unless you consider the new missile bonus. However, it sort of lacks the powergrid to do anything with that, and still lacks the PG to effectively perform as a brawling cruiser. I have to EFT it up a bit but it just seems pretty awkward.

On Cynabal as others have stated already it's pretty disappointing since the ship wasn't terribly strong before. It also basically removes the kiting arty cynabal, a niche role for the ship which I really enjoyed. With the other fast cruisers (namely vagabond) as strong as they are, it's hard for me to justify this nerf.