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Well as long as you are prepared to cover the cost of the pos and not expect to pass the additional cost onto customers there is really no reason not to go for it..

Realistically for a pos that does only reprocessing and or refining, it is far easier to just pull down your pos until the wardec is over.. Doesn't matter how good a pos's defences are, if someone wants to put it out of action, they will find a way.

As the cost of pos's, whether dickstars or simple small pos with refining and compressing arrays is likely to impact on the cost of minerals and ore, I think it is somewhat relevant to the thread.

Could even create a whole new line of income for those interested - find a reprocessing / compression pos, reinforce it then ransom it back to its owners.

For those who believe the "buy a corp with standings" and your set - beware, once the guy who sells you the corp leaves, it no longer has the standings to replace a pos if it dies.. Ransoming empire pos's sounds a lot more appealing.

"- It prevents us from giving low and null-security facilities some advantage: Player-built stations in null security space can only be, at their very best, equivalent with NPC stations that are spread all across New Eden."

Ah yeah, I see. Null have not got enough advantages as it is, you missed a spot !

Characters without standings are not counted against the standings of the corp. So you start a corp up with a character that has 7.0 standings to Amarr and leave him in there until it computes the standings. Then you let in the holding character, transfer him CEO and drop out like normal. The corp will maintain that 7.0 to Amarr if no characters in the corp have standings towards Amarr at all. The moment anyone shows up with even +-0.01, the standings will get averaged to it after 7 days of that character being in corp. Coming back from an 8 month break, I too was surprised to find my corp still had 7.34 to Amarr, but no one in corp had any standings to count against it.

Just means you can't run any mission that adjusts your standings, but having a tower, is that such a big cost for it?

8.0 standings won't help btw, they don't let you anchor in systems above a 0.7 sec status. At least, not yet.

Maybe I should submit a petition - I created a standings corp for my own use to put a small pos in empire space, due to war decs. . A few months later I decided to replace the small with a medium to cover extra work load. I un-anchored the small, went to anchor the medium and was unable to do so due to the corp not having the standings. The only toon in the corp had zero standings and minimal skills its only job was to simply fuel the pos and run labs.

With a little luck and the need for extra pos's that will be required for compressing and reprocessing. 0.8 will become available. Or there will be a need for a lot of wardecs to kill the hundreds of abandoned pos's sitting on highsec moons.

*warms up bullshit engines*

the capsuleers discovered a new way to increase ore yield but it uses caustic chemicals and/or dangerous, fatal techniques

fortunately capsuleers are immortal so they don't give a crap but the empires are like "naw dude naw"

So a 1% chance every ten thousand ore you refine that your clone dies, you loose your implants and you have to upgrade a new clone? Sounds fair on that front.
Also known as BS failed. The stations aren't run by Capsuleers, they are owned by Capsuleers, they are run by normal people.

The simple fact is that after the years & years of Null screaming how they couldn't compete because they had a disadvantage, which most sensible high sec players agreed with them on, now that they have the advantage they are trying to put the boot down on high sec, rather than acknowledging that it is unfair for any space to have such an advantage in basic refining.

I'm reading all these here's how it can work or here's a suggestion to give logic to this idiotic change and cant believe how weak minded a lot of you guys are. For those who agree that you cant achieve 100% in anything in EVE, just stop playing online games period. If you haven't realized it yet, the devs are using parental logic on you guys. Snap out of it.

All these devs "changes" is another smokescreen geared to push more players out of hi sec. Everything they listed are single issues that can be fixed on a per item basis. They are just packaged together to give substance to their newest ploy.

Why does CCP want players out of hi sec? It's a business issue. Plainly, the largest percentage of players exist outside hi sec and want more players to kill. They complain to CCP about a lack of players to kill or always killing the same players and point to hi sec. By "convincing" players to leave hi sec through nerfs and packaged illogic (the golden nullsec carrot), CCP satisfies the largest percentage need by providing them more players to kill. This leads to the largest percentage to keep paying CCP.

In my view, players are already "rewarded" for establishing themselves outside hi sec. Better ores, better isk/lp missions, better sites, can build their own POS/better industry build options and best yet, kill another player without being Concorded. Existing outside hi sec takes a lot of skill, specialization, teamwork, and dedication for a player to live each day killing other players while avoiding getting podded themselves, but none of that has anything to do with refining.

Refining is a click of a button....that's it. Its the players reprocessing skills, faction and station refine percentage period. It shouldn't matter the space where the reprocessing/refining takes place, the dangers of mining, how the ores got to the refining point, what the corp/alliance had to go through to get a refining module in place, or whatever else...its a click of a button.

Having a refinery platform just saves the alliance/corp/players time and movement. It's a safe way to refine in their chosen place to live at. That's the reward, there is no need to make it better than a station refinery.

Kiyat, this change doesn't force you to move anywhere. If anything, it gives even more options on how to utilize resources exactly where you are at. Sure, it does require some extra training and a different way of thinking... and perhaps some working on faction standings, but there's going to be a fair bit more variety to the miner/producer way of living.

The only thing I worry about is how the market will speculate itself in the weeks leading up to the expansion...

Interesting, this totally slipped my mind. I'll have a look if that is viable and can be done for some time after summer. No promises though

Why would we refine this stuff?

We have station workers for that.


Simple fact is that people finally have a reason to leave high sec for this.