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Multiple Character Training Price

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Avarus Brightfyre
#1 - 2014-03-27 17:27:52 UTC
I've been searching for a reason why the multiple character training price is higher than creating a whole new account, but have been unable to find a thread on it. I vaguely remember finding one thread before on it, but I can't seem to find it again. I don't remember it answering my question, in any case.

The benefits of simply creating another account seems to give you more benefit at a lower cost, allowing you to log in an alt at the same time as your main, if you choose to. Multiple character training only allows one character on the account to be active at any one time, as far as I know. The only benefit you gain is the ability to train another character in conjunction with your main. This should definitely require an additional fee, but for more than the price of an entire account?

It seems to me you should get what you pay for, and you seem to get less for this service than creating a new account and end up paying much more. I am loathe to create an entirely new account and pay full price just to gain access to an alt, especially one that will probably be only a part-time character. Adding character training should only be a fraction of the original subscription fee, since it only adds a fraction of the benefit of an entirely new account.

It doesn't make sense to me that I have to more than double my subscription fee to gain access to training a second character. Can someone explain the reason the price is higher for a service that gives you less?

Thanks in advance!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2014-03-27 17:31:30 UTC
By keeping the price of another subscription lower than MCT, it encourages new subscriptions, which makes the sub numbers look good.




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Tyrone Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-03-27 17:42:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrone Arran
One benefit to MCT is that if you only plan on training the additional character(s) for a limited time. You no longer have to pay once the training is completed. Sure you could do this on a different account and then transfer the character to your main account, but there are additional fees to do this.

I guess it depends on what you plans are for the alt character and doing some math to find out which path would be cheaper.

I do see your point and agree with it. For most, just adding a second account is the way to go and it does make sub numbers look better.
Dagar Bly
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-03-27 17:49:50 UTC
I did it to train a trader, so I wouldn't have to plex another account every month just to keep a toon that never undocks.

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GetYaTitsOut
#5 - 2014-03-27 17:59:13 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
By keeping the price of another subscription lower than MCT, it encourages new subscriptions, which makes the sub numbers look good.


^^This it makes the beancounters look good

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2014-03-27 18:04:13 UTC
It's a fair price to pay for a capability that did not even exist for 10 1/2 YEARS of this games life.

Whining about it. for whatever silly reason, isn't going to change anything.

Be glad the cost is not 2 PLEX.

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Serene Repose
#7 - 2014-03-27 18:25:10 UTC
I thought this was a good idea until I saw the price. To offer this at that price makes it look like someone's a hick trying to sell a stack of Chinet as fine china (probably to either pay off a gambling debt, or obtain more crystal). To buy it at that price makes YOU look like you think Chinet is fine china.

Same with a lot of other great ideas by CCP. The prices are either desperation moves because the mafia is hot on their heels, or just plain gouging because they reckon us to be stupid. Either way, there's Jaeger on somebody's breath.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Avarus Brightfyre
#8 - 2014-03-27 18:38:53 UTC
I would imagine total income would go up if they offered this at a lower price. More people would be willing to pay for a half price multiple character training feature than full price for a second account, and certainly more than those willing to add more than double the total account cost just to train a single alt. I happen to be one of the people in this crowd. Real life is far more important than any game, and I cannot justify spending that much, even on a semi-regular basis, on a game. I might bump up to $20 a month, but certainly no more than that. I'm fairly sure that many other players have the same sentiment. Money is money, after all.

Total subscriptions are nice, I suppose, but total revenue would seem to be more important, don't you think?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2014-03-27 18:44:07 UTC
Avarus Brightfyre wrote:
I've been searching for a reason why the multiple character training price is higher than creating a whole new account, but have been unable to find a thread on it. I vaguely remember finding one thread before on it, but I can't seem to find it again. I don't remember it answering my question, in any case.


Because its cheaper than training a second account and paying a plex to char transfer it to my permanent accounts, meaning I can train cyno alts, scout alts, mfg alts, whatever, with a lot less hassle.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2014-03-27 19:12:32 UTC
Avarus Brightfyre wrote:
I would imagine total income would go up if they offered this at a lower price. More people would be willing to pay for a half price multiple character training feature than full price for a second account, and certainly more than those willing to add more than double the total account cost just to train a single alt. I happen to be one of the people in this crowd. Real life is far more important than any game, and I cannot justify spending that much, even on a semi-regular basis, on a game. I might bump up to $20 a month, but certainly no more than that. I'm fairly sure that many other players have the same sentiment. Money is money, after all.

Total subscriptions are nice, I suppose, but total revenue would seem to be more important, don't you think?



Someone is wanting a discount price on fully trained alts.

Good job. Roll

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2014-03-27 19:23:37 UTC
Dual character training is intended as a niche convenience alternative for players who want to put 1-3 months of training into an alt. eg: hauler alts, market alts, PI alts, etc etc.

If you want an alt that's intended to be a "second main" and so trains indefinitely, then it's better in every possible way to train that character on a seperate account.

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#12 - 2014-03-27 19:47:35 UTC
Also the price is only higher if you buy it through CCP. If you buy plex on the ingame market or GTC via a retailer you get it at allmost the same price as a normal account. (16.5 USD)

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Avarus Brightfyre
#13 - 2014-03-27 22:19:22 UTC
I suppose this is another of those topics that is more complex than it appears on the surface. I'm mostly interested in having a second trade/industrial character that would augment my main combat-centric character, but I'm not really willing to pay for another full subscription fee every month (or even just a few months) to do this, and I'd certainly rather have my alt on the same account. My in-game income rate isn't high enough to warrant trying to go the PLEX route (I wouldn't have ISK for anything else), so I suppose I'll just have to make do with one character.

Thanks for the insights. Still doesn't really make sense to me, but at least there is an answer of some sort on it and it doesn't sound like something that will change any time soon.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-03-27 22:28:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
A trade/industrial character really only needs one months training to get started. If you add it as a second character on your existing account you only pay that one month of MCT and then its free. Once it starts to earn ISK you can use that ISK to plex more trade skills with MCT.

The alternative is do what people did in the old days. Stop training your main temporarily and skill up the alt then switch traing back to your main.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#15 - 2014-03-28 12:41:00 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

The alternative is do what people did in the old days. Stop training your main temporarily and skill up the alt then switch traing back to your main.


This completely free option is always available.

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Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-03-28 14:09:19 UTC
I personally don't understand why anyone would want to train two characters on the same account, when you could just run two accounts (even if the prices were the same).

Having to log in and out to change multiple characters on a single account would really **** me off.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#17 - 2014-03-28 14:12:23 UTC
Effect One wrote:
I personally don't understand why anyone would want to train two characters on the same account, when you could just run two accounts (even if the prices were the same).


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4401315#post4401315

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Doomheim
#18 - 2014-03-28 14:24:26 UTC
Effect One wrote:
I personally don't understand why anyone would want to train two characters on the same account, when you could just run two accounts (even if the prices were the same).

Having to log in and out to change multiple characters on a single account would really **** me off.


I trained a character on my main's account to fly a blockade runner and of course i don't need to log with him everyday but when i do, it is perfect for me because i need to move stuff in and out of low sec once per week more or less.

I didn't want to train hauling skills on my main so i'm happy with this character.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#19 - 2014-03-28 14:35:43 UTC
Avarus Brightfyre wrote:
I suppose this is another of those topics that is more complex than it appears on the surface. I'm mostly interested in having a second trade/industrial character that would augment my main combat-centric character, but I'm not really willing to pay for another full subscription fee every month (or even just a few months) to do this, and I'd certainly rather have my alt on the same account. My in-game income rate isn't high enough to warrant trying to go the PLEX route (I wouldn't have ISK for anything else), so I suppose I'll just have to make do with one character.

Thanks for the insights. Still doesn't really make sense to me, but at least there is an answer of some sort on it and it doesn't sound like something that will change any time soon.
I'm not really sure how it doesn't make sense. In your case, you want a 2nd character, not a 2nd account. So in your situation, I'd pay double for a couple of months allowing me to train a second character alongside my main, then go back to normal price getting to keep both characters. If you instead got a 2nd account, you would have to pay for it all the time you want to use that character and the moment you let your sub run out on the 2nd account, you'd lose access to that character. That is the main benefit.

If you don't want to pay at all, you can do that by pausing training on your main. Pretty simple stuff.

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Rifterlings
#20 - 2014-03-28 14:46:49 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

The alternative is do what people did in the old days. Stop training your main temporarily and skill up the alt then switch traing back to your main.


This completely free option is always available.


Stop talking this nonsense, Malcanis. Everyone knows that trying to do this gets you a warning from a GM for not using an alt account instead.
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