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Peter Raptor

Galactic Hawks

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#1 - 2014-03-25 08:13:50 UTC

Our humble shuttle has a mass of 1.6 million kilos, that means on earth it weighs around 3 TIMES the Max Takeoff weight of the world's biggest aircraft when its FULLY LOADED (0.64 mil kilos), the Antonov An-225 Mriya.

NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE MIGHTY SHUTTLE AGAIN!

(and its a bargain price of 13,000 isk)

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Ramona McCandless

Silent Vale

LinkNet

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#2 - 2014-03-25 08:18:35 UTC

How does the mass automatically equate to size?

A metric tonne of lead takes up signifgantly less space than a metric tonne of feathers.

Also if you are paying that much from your shuttles, I have a metric tonne of lead as measured on Jupiter to sell you.

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Peter Raptor

Galactic Hawks

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#3 - 2014-03-25 08:21:47 UTC | Edited by: Peter Raptor

Ramona McCandless wrote:

Shuttle SIze is 5 kilometres cubed, so its big ;)

Cargobay is 10 metres cubed, must pack a LOT of Avionics :/

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Salvos Rhoska Likes received: 3,071	#4 - 2014-03-25 08:28:47 UTC Ramona McCandless wrote: A metric tonne of lead takes up signifgantly less space than a metric tonne of feathers. Not if you compress the feathers with Planck scale tech! PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent


Ramona McCandless Silent Vale LinkNet Likes received: 7,384	#5 - 2014-03-25 08:30:12 UTC 1 Peter Raptor wrote: Shuttle SIze is 5 kilometres cubed It clearly isnt though "Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway "A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Scipio Artelius

Weaponised Vegemite

Flying Dangerous

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#6 - 2014-03-25 08:30:27 UTC | Edited by: Scipio Artelius

The shuttles are still relatively large and about equivalent in size to an Antonov:

http://i.imgur.com/li1WE.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Antonov_An-225_Manchester_Coleman.jpg

Gallente Shuttle Length: 50/52 m
Antonov AN-225 Length: 84 m

Volumes are a bit different though:

Gallente Shuttle: 5000 m cu.
Antonov An-225: 1900 m cu. (I think)

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Victor Andall Likes received: 774	#7 - 2014-03-25 08:57:41 UTC \| Edited by: Victor Andall 3 A shuttle is roughly 50 meters long. About the size of a medium sized building. OP is really bad at math or just has a poor understanding of what a cubic kilometer is. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? 19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

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James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#8 - 2014-03-25 09:48:03 UTC \| Edited by: James Amril-Kesh 5 5,000 cubic meters is not 5 cubic kilometers. It's actually 0.000005 cubic kilometers. 5 cubic kilometers would be 5,000,000,000 cubic meters. A shuttle 50 meters long, 10 feet tall and 10 feet wide has a bounding box volume of 50 * 10 * 10 = 5,000 cubic meters. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Remiel Pollard

Aliastra

Gallente Federation

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#9 - 2014-03-25 10:05:27 UTC | Edited by: Remiel Pollard

Regarding shuttles and sizes and stuff, here's what I don't get...

A Gallente shuttle, for example, is 64m on its long axis. So that would be the diameter of the sphere it would fit inside, giving that sphere a volume of 137,000m^3. It's also comparable to the length, from nose to tail, of a Boeing 777-200.

It supposedly takes up 5000m^3 of space unpackaged.

A Firbolg is 19m on its long axis. That's the same as the length and only 1m less than the wingspan of an F-14 Tomcat. (So stop calling them frigate-sized, cuz that just sounds dumb, but I digress). It would fit inside a sphere with a 19m diameter, giving it a volume of 3591.36m^3.

It also takes up 5000m^3 of space.

And there are so many similar size discrepancies that I understand are determined as such for the sake of consistent gameplay, and don't get me wrong here, I'm not complaining about lack of realism. I'm just thinking out loud, really...

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Peter Raptor

Galactic Hawks

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#10 - 2014-03-25 10:13:06 UTC | Edited by: Peter Raptor

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

5,000 cubic meters is not 5 cubic kilometers. It's actually 0.000005 cubic kilometers.

5 cubic kilometers would be 5,000,000,000 cubic meters.

A shuttle 50 meters long, 10 feet tall and 10 feet wide has a bounding box volume of 50 * 10 * 10 = 5,000 cubic meters.

10 feet is 3 metres, oh my Lol

You have no idea do you Roll

And yes I know what 5 thousand (kilo) cubic metres is Blink

50 Metres times 10 Metres times 10 Metres

Your calculations are way off...

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Victor Andall

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#11 - 2014-03-25 10:37:53 UTC

A cubic meter is a cube with an edge length of one meter.

A cubic kilometer is a cube with an edge length of one thousand meters.

5000 cubic meters do not equal 5 cubic kilometers.

And seeing how one foot is roughly 33 centimeters, yes, ten feet do equal roughly 3 meters.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.


Peter Raptor Galactic Hawks Likes received: 697	#12 - 2014-03-25 10:55:34 UTC Ya, I stand corrected, shouldve said 5 Cubic decametres, oops ... Evelopedia; The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion †


James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#13 - 2014-03-25 11:14:26 UTC \| Edited by: James Amril-Kesh Probably just easier to say 5,000 cubic meters. But yeah, one cubic kilometer is 1,000 meters by 1,000 meters by 1,000 meters (1 km * 1 km * 1 km = 1 km^3). Enjoying the rain today? ;)

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Bagrat Skalski Koinuun Kotei Likes received: 10,603	#14 - 2014-03-25 11:22:46 UTC 1 10 m3 cargobay. That's 5/2/1 metres corridor. GAME BALLANCE. Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!


Victor Andall Likes received: 774	#15 - 2014-03-25 11:29:33 UTC 4 This thread is now about the metric system. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? 19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

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Abrazzar Vardaugas Family Likes received: 6,225	#16 - 2014-03-25 11:36:23 UTC Bagrat Skalski wrote: 10 m3 cargobay. That's 5/2/1 metres corridor. GAME BALLANCE. None of the dimensions and capacities in EVE really fit together. Coherence in the world logic isn't very high on the to-do list for development. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics

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Serene Repose Likes received: 3,094	#17 - 2014-03-25 14:50:28 UTC That, of course, is assuming an Antonov An-225 Mriya can takeoff when fully loaded. We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Shizuken

Venerated Stars

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#18 - 2014-03-25 16:24:08 UTC

Peter Raptor wrote:

(and its a bargain price of 13,000 isk)

+1 for arbitrary mass values entered into a spreadsheet by game designers...

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Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force Likes received: 1,256	#19 - 2014-03-25 17:22:13 UTC Yes, ships in Eve are big...even the "small" ships are big, and the "big" ships are ******* massive! "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Herzog Wolfhammer

Sigma Special Tactics Group

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#20 - 2014-03-25 17:28:37 UTC

Remiel Pollard wrote:

I'm reminded of how Star Trek and all of the other spinoffs were constantly plagued with scale issues.

That scene from First Contact when the Enterprise passed by the Defiant for example, it was said that the Defiant was heinously out of scale.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

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