Wormholes

If anything were to change, this should be it.

Well I just don't like this idea at all.
Delay signatures appearing on the sensor overlay ok, but not being able to scan it with probes as it spawns is ridiculous.

So says you. Bottom line Blue loot is of no value until you can get it sold, which can only be done in k-space. And compared to the push button receive isk nature of bounties, it can be a "challenge".

In that vein, maybe all bounties should become a loot certificate that have to be scooped from the cargohold of ships. I would love to hear the collective cries of 0.0 space for this "minor inconvenience". Or that of LS and HS for that matter.

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Some of us like our scan phoenix's I'll have you know! But in all seriousness, any subcap can warp off in the time it takes to initiate all that. The jump itself is ~5s, that's like a third of the align time of a subcap. With the warpspeed changes you can often get out in the time it takes my combat boat to fly to you. I've personally had a Drake warp off on me in the time it took for my Talos to warp 4au to it.
Caps and Higher WH's aside, if you're getting caught in your own lower WH with a subcap at the moment, you're doing something wrong. See my post way above somewhere with what you should be doing.

As for caps, well being stuck there is the price you pay for having triage reps or siege dps. That's how they're balanced out. If you don't want to risk getting caught, don't triage or siege. There's nothing stopping you using multiple carriers to RR together and using their fighters for DPS. It's just a bit less efficient.

That is kind of true, it would lead to less people activating wormholes because they could warp to it and see what type of space it leads to without jumping.

Of course, you could make it that warping will trigger a timer, which jumping would skip completely, causing the K162 to pop up immediately. That would provide a decent compromise I guess.

Thank you for tackling this Fozzie. It's an important issue, I'm glad I caught this thread as soon as it showed up on my overview.

Has the discussion at the dev/CSM level involved ore sites post-Odyssey or has it been primarily concerned with K162s? Should ore sites on the overview be considered topical for purposes of this thread?

It may sound shallow, but as a soon to be cap pilot I need ore to build caps. In my mind, these two topics are connected.

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Timers if you jump! Timers if you don't! More timers once you jump though! And variable timers depending on how many people jump!

TLDR: This is getting too ******* complicated in a hurry.

You know there are problems with the basic idea when proposed fixes get that complex.

Quoted for truth.

But it doesn't have to be this way.

Granted there will always be a few miners. Mostly players new to WH space with the occaisonal masocist writing his BOB-sacrficed retrievers off the books under the derecognized assets column.

Edit for the record: Any PVPer who scans the two sigs in my home system will still nab my barges and have enough time leftover to make an omelette before I return. I mostly mine afk, don't tell the CODE people.

What’s the end game CCP Fozzie? Additional content for w-space? I think we would all agree that it’s desperately needed, but in this guise I’m afraid it falls a little short. Isn’t it going to be a little predictable, as in what’s going to happen to w-space if and when these changes are implemented? Ganking opportunities become more prevalent, with the larger Alliances eventually dominating w-space, which will end up like Null, boring all bar the occasional blobfest. Whichever way you look at it, it’s hardly adding new content to the game. Maybe that’s what you want, another Null Sec type environment? Either way you’re looking at a hard sell from what I’ve read thus far.

You made scanning easier to promote w-space activity, but in the end it provided little additional content. You changed or added various other game mechanics in recent patches, like ghost sites (damn straight their ghosts, never seen one myself), again with little to no effect in adding game content or increasing w-space occupancy.

Reverting back to previous models just induces boredom. Put your hands up if you actively sought out the scanning role. Yeah, that’s what I thought. Point made.

I appreciate the fact that you are constantly looking at how Eve as a whole can be improved, but this forum post should give you an indication of where you’ve been going wrong. If you want to create additional content for w-space you need to form a w-space group, CSM like, made up of the various Alliances heads to hash out ideas in an appropriate environment. This in my opinion is the only way you’ll get any additional content into the game that works for all involved, will promote growth into the area and will maintain the original vibe of w-space, that it can be a dangerous place to be in at any given time.

On a personal note, I myself farm sites to enable my character to grow as needed. Sometimes the isk I generate is invested into PvE, other times PvP. My point is the isk I generate remains in w-space, albeit the raw materials etc needed to make whatever it is I purchased off market, but the net result is the same, the isk remains in w-space. This is where I live, this is where I believe the isk should remain. All of the pilots I know in w-space are of similar minds. There’s a message in there somewhere, has no relevance to this discussion, but it’s there nonetheless : )